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Very simple extension found on some wiki now. Not a critical feature perhaps, but it would make sense for this to be an option alongside [[Manual:$wgRCMaxAge|$wgRCMaxAge]] and friends, with sane defaults. On a wiki with few dozens pages, showing new pages of the last 30 pages only doesn't make sense. On the other hand, someone may argue we should just raise the defaults for $wgRCMaxAge. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC) |
Very simple extension found on some wiki now. Not a critical feature perhaps, but it would make sense for this to be an option alongside [[Manual:$wgRCMaxAge|$wgRCMaxAge]] and friends, with sane defaults. On a wiki with few dozens pages, showing new pages of the last 30 pages only doesn't make sense. On the other hand, someone may argue we should just raise the defaults for $wgRCMaxAge. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC) |
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=== Should be integrated in core === |
=== Should be integrated in core === |
Revision as of 21:15, 14 January 2015
An extension should be bundled with the installer after it has become extremely widely used. There are various schools of thought concerning other extensions. When deciding whether to integrate an extension into the core, one should consider the likelihood, if any, that extensions will be written that depend upon that functionality, and the prospects that it might be later desired to remove that functionality from the core, which would break those extensions. Extensions with uncommon external dependencies should generally not be bundled with the installer or integrated into the core.
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Should be bundled with the installer
AbuseFilter
- This is an immensely helpful tool for preventing spam-edits and should be available to everyone creating a new wiki. It needs Extension:AntiSpoof.--Baumgeist (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Any more opinions? --Nemo 07:07, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
AntiSpoof
- AntiSpoof has no default rules installed and isn't an obvious thing to find, so is of limited use to just install by default. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- It is a prerequisite for Extension:AbuseFilter though. --Damian Yerrick (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
BackAndForth
- [disabled by default]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
CategoryTree
- may be included as optional configuration variable [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I wouldn't bother with this by default necessarily, though some people like it. The tree widget is rarely used directly, so it's not needed for content compatibility. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's pretty useful. E.g., compare how easy it is to browse documents in this Category listing compared to this CategoryTree listing. The latter is much more navigable, because you can see the full filenames. I also think CategoryTree has reached a degree of popularity sufficient to justify its inclusion in the core; the wikisphere seems to have settled on it as a standard. Leucosticte (talk) 03:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
- Not done Was not bundled with 1.21. I moved it back here because it might still be added to the bundle in the future. The Anonymouse [talk] 05:29, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- This is by some way the most popular non-bundled extension, and is in my opinion a fairly significant improvement over normal category navigation. --etesp (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
CheckUser
should not. There are laws in some countries forbidding logging of IPs, etc.— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)- So it should be disabled by default. Soxred93 00:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- COPPA forbids collecting e-mail addresses in some circumstances that we don't accommodate (sites targeted at minors must ask for age and get parental approval if age < 13). And we don't provide any way at all for admins to comply with that. Since when does the law of one country force us to not add a feature for everyone else?
- What country actually forbids collecting IP addresses from being logged period? Some may require them to be discarded after a period, but CheckUser does that.
- We already log IPs in rc anyway.
- So this is an entirely unreasonable reason. All bulletin boards I know of, for instance, have similar functionality enabled by default, and they don't even typically allow you to purge old IPs. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 12:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Simetrical. It's an out of the box feature available to staff on most comparable software, if anything MW's implementation is extremely conservative and has a lot more oversight. Missing this after coming from forums and other places is kind of jaring. --etesp (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Duplicator
- "copy" function available on most systems since the beginning of time. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Intersection
- [disablable] — a.k.a. DynamicPageList. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
FancyBoxThumbs
- Extremely useful for any wiki. Bennylin (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Tab0
- very simple usability helper. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Should be dealt with at bugzilla:156 instead. --Nemo 22:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
TemplateSandbox
Can see how a template will really show up. Should be useful for lots of wikis. -- Prod (talk) 17:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
TitleKey
- Might want to merge this straight into the page table (as long as we get that easy schema upgrade ability on Wikimedia first...). — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Integrating TitleKey would be beneficial to new mediawiki users. Its use case is confusing, because so much seems to work already without it, making it hard to see whether it is a legacy extension or not. What I mean: this adds substantially to the "learning curve" of installing a usable mediawiki installation. The main reason to not include it in core seems to be that it is a little bit of a hack for something (case-insensitive search and suggestions) that should work without the need to install another extension and a special table - correct? Can this then be fixed? G.Hagedorn 08:53, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Validator
- Validator is a generic parameter handling tool. As a lot of parameter handling is happening in both core and extensions, it would greatly increase simplicity and consistency, as well as add a lot of useful things such as auto documentation generation. I'm quite sure most core devs will go "we don't need this". Try it, and then tell me it's not vastly better then hard-coding all the stuff over and over again for every use-case. --Jeroen De Dauw 03:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Since this is not currently used by core or production stuff, no reason to ship it just yet. To the extent that things in it are useful for other extensions, those things probably belong in core; doesn't make sense as its own extension. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- Such a meta extension should only be included by default when and if it has wide usage in my opinion. Bawolff (talk) 17:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- It's now the 18th most popular extension according to WikiApiary (excluding farm wikis), if that helps with the decision. --etesp (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Variables
- I've found this handy for making complex templates more efficient and readable. It's a fairly straightforward and popular extension which could benefit many wikis. --etesp (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
MathJax
Mediawiki is very good instrument to arrange the mathematical results. Consider to include some MathJax; it seems to be best among various supports of the formula typing. Domitori (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
MobileFrontend
This will provide a Mediawiki frontend to mobile devices. The current frontend seems much too complicated to use there. --Kebap (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
NewUserMessage
- Should be included in core : it helps to create a basic community by giving indications about the wiki and is very simple to configure. Already used in wikimedias wikis. --Jibec (talk) 20:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- The Welcome Notification in Extension:Echo accomplishes a similar function. I would hold off on merging this with core until we have a clearer picture of what we're going to be doing for new users via Echo and Flow. Kaldari (talk) 23:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Do not merge (maybe to be bundled): this extension does a very particular thing. It may be interesting for public wikiks, but there are a lot of different approaches to achive effects (extension Echo as Kaldari mentioned, personal welcomes, using a bot, just use a welcome message after account creation,...). --Moejoe000 (talk) 10:03, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral on this, I'm unsure though I like the extension and I think future possible broader solutions must not block improvements possible in the present. Moved to bundle section. --Nemo 07:07, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguator
- Ship in tarball, not merge, when Special:Disambiguations is removed from core. --Moejoe000 (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Core is better. --Nemo 12:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- I originally implemented it in core, but was told it should be built as an extension instead. Personally, I thought it would make more sense in core, but I was under the impression that consensus was otherwise, per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35981. Let's discuss further in the bug. Kaldari (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- I also think it makes more sense in core. Btw, some discussion has occurred on wikitech-l. --Waldir (talk) 15:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Moved to "bundle" section because the functionality was removed from core and this will obviously not be reverted any time soon. --Nemo 07:07, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
VisualEditor
- Given that this is becoming the default on Wikipedia, this should be included in the installer.--Simoneau (talk) 20:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, VisualEditor is still in a beta state and not really fit for bundling for novice sysadmins (it's more than a little complex to get going compared to normal extensions that we bundle - most especially, the dependency on Parsoid, a nodeJS service). Perhaps early-ish next year it will be in a better state for this to be appropriate. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 06:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Scribunto
- A lot of users import templates and modules from Wikipedia into their wikis, and this is necessary for most of them to work. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Newest Pages
Very simple extension found on some wiki now. Not a critical feature perhaps, but it would make sense for this to be an option alongside $wgRCMaxAge and friends, with sane defaults. On a wiki with few dozens pages, showing new pages of the last 30 pages only doesn't make sense. On the other hand, someone may argue we should just raise the defaults for $wgRCMaxAge. --Nemo 08:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Hit counters
Hit counters feature, removed from core. Requires the extension to be created first, see phabricator:T74420. --Nemo 21:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Should be integrated in core
Extension:NoTitle
- how about putting Extension:NoTitle somewhere on here? Wikademia (copied from discussion page--Moejoe000 21:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC))
- Moved here. Is a very trival feature. Wikipedia uses a JaveScript workaround (for main pages). Removing just the Title in HTML seems really better. --Moejoe000 07:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- The way this extension does it isn't much cleaner, it inserts a
<style>
tag in the head section for scripts to declaredisplay:none
on the first heading. On the other hand, removing it may break bad scripts. Krinkle 15:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)- I was suggesting to add the feature, not the particular implementation of the extension--Moejoe000 06:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
- The way this extension does it isn't much cleaner, it inserts a
Configure
- every other web software system has had this since the beginning of time [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- The current Configure extension is too fragile IMO, based on editing config PHP files. I'd much rather see us work out a proper configuration database which can have a clean, safe UI written on top of it; supporting multiple wikis with cascading configuration options from global -> group -> individual site is a must. --brion 19:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
DismissableSiteNotice
- Was implemented, then reverted. Needs a rewrite to make it less hacky-ish before being merged back in [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- *nod* would prefer a cleaner implementation on this. --brion 19:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
WikiEditor
- Should be implanted into the core because the one already in the core should be updated because it is now old and WikiEditor has a new look and adds some features which is useful to edit your wiki with 90.212.81.76 13:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
ParserFunctions
- Should be implanted into the core because the basic one already installed doesent support all the features ParserFunctions has so by including ParserFunctions this in the core It would be enabling a upgraded parser function making your wiki better handling support for ParserFunctions 90.212.81.76 13:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
- I agree and I don't really see a reason not to integrate it. --85.253.84.143 12:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Gadgets
- Should be implanted into the core because adding Gadgets to the core would add support for adding more links and things to do with your wiki for example adding a link for (my sandbox) or editing a website in a wiki like meta (wikimedia) does 90.212.81.76 13:10, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Closed
Discarded
AntiBot
- zomg secret — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
BoardVote
- Wikimedia-specific — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
CentralAuth
- not includable— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
CrossNamespaceLinks
- even now it is useless— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
EasyTimeline
- while it is in Perl— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
FixedImage
- Wikimedia-specific— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
OggHandler
- external dependency— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Oversight
- to be deprecated by rev_deleted— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
SiteMatrix
- Wikimedia-specific— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
TorBlock
- needs cron— Preceding unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs)
User Merge and Delete
- causes irreversible changes (deletes users)— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Username Blacklist
- redundant to features in TitleBlacklist— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
WikiHiero
- too heavy— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Maintenance
- complete and utter hack, plus a security risk since a rogue admin could screw up the site with it.— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
CharInsert
- thought
he was adminit was in core :). — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)- How practical is this extension for core?. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Very, especially for all languages the use special characters, but also take a look at the average Wikimedia wiki's MediaWiki:Edittools. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- CharInsert is going to be pretty much obsoleted by the new edit toolbar, which has a much cleaner system for special chars / edittools. --brion 19:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the implementation of this could be improved dramatically. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 12:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Perfect is the ememy of good? Even though it has been adopted widely, it not being perfect would prevent it from being added to core, even though no one touched it since June 2006? (rev:14584)? siebrand 15:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, sure. It could be cleaned up in core as well as anywhere. Just saying. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Perfect is the ememy of good? Even though it has been adopted widely, it not being perfect would prevent it from being added to core, even though no one touched it since June 2006? (rev:14584)? siebrand 15:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- This extension should be obsoleted by WikiEditor. And anyway: the current version of this extension could be re-written completely in JavaScript (with the effect that users that do not have JavaScript enabled do not see unusable links) --Moejoe000 18:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- How practical is this extension for core?. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Do not ship: provides nothing by default, and is obsoleted by WikiEditor with pre-populates its own special chars list. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Short URL
It seems to me, that everybody prefers short URL rather than the long one. I think, the short URL should be default. Domitori (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- So you mean the apache configuration, not the extension (which is an URL shortener). Makes sense, but it's not what this page is for and I've no idea how can be addressed. Maybe a bug against the installer? --Nemo 00:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Discarded, this is not an extension. Please file an enhancement for the Installer. If we want this, it is something our installation wizard might be able to do. Krinkle (talk) 04:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Done: Bundled
ParserFunctions
- Bug 26261
- potential merge rejected by Tim Starling: difflink— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- What's wrong with merging ParserFunctions into the core, perhaps with a configuration setting allowing it to be disabled? Tisane 15:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC) (copied from discussion page--Moejoe000 21:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC))
- I second that, please merge it with mediawiki core. --85.253.84.143 12:54, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Bundled r98515
Vector
- Maybe one could try to merge those parts which only apply to the vector-skin with the skin itself--188.22.79.199 09:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Bundled in 101901
ConfirmEdit
- Bundled r100366
WikiEditor
- See discussion: bugzilla:26914. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not shipping this by default is super lame. It should be shipped and enabled by default if possible. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- Agree both, your comment and suggestion in bugzilla:26914 to have a clear interfece for various editors (which would imply "ship with installer" instead of "merge"? --Moejoe000 07:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
- moved to "Bundle" See also bugzilla: 26918 and bugzilla:26914. Krinkle 15:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- Bundled r100366
Renameuser
- [Merge:] Yeah, that'd be good. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- [Merge:] Maybe not necessarily the current version, though; see also: bugzilla:15212. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Moved to bundle, as it was bundled currently --Moejoe000 07:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- See also Merge RenameUser into core.--Qgil (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Bundled r100366
Gadgets
- Gadgets are super-useful, but it's still a bit awkward to actually share gadgets from site to site. Might not hurt to slip it in for 1.18, but it'll be way more useful in future versions. --brion 21:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have to oppose here: (the current implementation of) this extension does not provide anything by default - one has to modify system texts to install gadgets. Persons who know how to do that, can also install the extension manually. If also configuration of Gadgets is easy, I would also suggest to bundle. --Moejoe000 09:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Bundled r100366
Nuke
- installed on all Wikimedia wikis and is handy for non-Wikimedia users [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Was implemented in r41630 but reverted in r42117. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Bundled r100366
Cite
- still have some breakages and not properly handled by {{#if}} clauses. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well, neither is <nowiki> or <pre> or any other XML-like tag, right? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 12:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree this should be included by default. Bawolff (talk) 17:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- This seems logical to me - even for third-party wikis. --Varnent (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
ImageMap
- useful [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- With the ability to use |link= now, probably not needed in core (see also: r41727, r41789). — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. Bawolff (talk) 17:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
Inputbox
- Inputbox needs a rewrite, it's a little scary. :) [disablable]. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Got a pretty decent rewrite recently ^demon 08:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
- Some Wikipedia templates use this, but not generally in content areas. It's also got such a horrid config interface I wouldn't wish it on new users. ;) --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
LocalisationUpdate
It's about time we start supporting localisation well in all MediaWiki installations. As far as I know, LU has already been updated to use will soon work (thanks to gerrit:34496, while WMF used a custom hack) with gerrit/git reliably enough; the problem would be that as is it needs cron (like #TorBlock which was discarded).
If we had this, we could also use some special system messages, or qqq messages, to spread crucial information or docs (see also bugzilla:41578). --Nemo 21:28, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm somewhat doubtful this is really needed for proper localization support. We ship the localizations with MediaWiki. Well it is certainly nice for WMF wikis to have up to the minute localization updates, I don't see why it is critical for up to the moment updates of the localizations in general. Bawolff (talk)
- Have you considered that most wikis are not updated for months or years and that sometimes not even 1.x.y releases include localisation updates? WMF wikis are those which need LU less now, thanks to the bi-weekly update. Could you please elaborate on why updated localisation is not so useful in your opinion? I don't know where to start replying. Thanks, Nemo 17:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see the need for bundling LocalisationUpdate. I think it would be much better to find a way to encourage updating the whole MediaWiki installation of outdated wikis rather than focusing on updating their localisations. If we offer LocalisationUpdate *from now on*, that won't have any effect for wikis that are already using older versions at this moment anyway. And non-WMF wikis are usually in major languages that are already very well localised. SPQRobin (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Do you have any stat for the last claim? About updating, by default security updates don't necessarily include localisation updates. Updating MediaWiki is not a solution to have an up to date localisation, unless one uses git of course. We should go towards a usable experience for tarball users. Nemo 19:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, I don't, but it's quite logical (see also sites using MediaWiki). Or, the other way around, look at translatewiki:Translating:MediaWiki/statistics/1.20: I don't think there are many non-WMF wikis at all in languages with less than 80-90% localised. About updating, I'm not really talking about security updates, I'm also talking about wikis using versions like 1.15, 1.16 etc, I think it would be better to focus on wikis upgrading more regularly rather than solely keeping their localisations up to date. SPQRobin (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- You should use this list and extract language info from there, not rely on assumptions. "Why don't you focus on X instead" is not a valid argument, anyway it's also wrong here because in these days I am working on contacting those thousands of wikis which need to upgrade.
- I'd rather like to hear reasons why bundling LU would do harm or not do good. --Nemo 20:01, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- I just give my opinion, I said "I think it would be better to focus on...". And please, even from the linked list it is, imho, quite obvious that when you take away all English, German, Italian, Spanish, ... wikis you will have only few wikis left in "rare" languages. SPQRobin (talk) 00:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, I don't, but it's quite logical (see also sites using MediaWiki). Or, the other way around, look at translatewiki:Translating:MediaWiki/statistics/1.20: I don't think there are many non-WMF wikis at all in languages with less than 80-90% localised. About updating, I'm not really talking about security updates, I'm also talking about wikis using versions like 1.15, 1.16 etc, I think it would be better to focus on wikis upgrading more regularly rather than solely keeping their localisations up to date. SPQRobin (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Do you have any stat for the last claim? About updating, by default security updates don't necessarily include localisation updates. Updating MediaWiki is not a solution to have an up to date localisation, unless one uses git of course. We should go towards a usable experience for tarball users. Nemo 19:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see the need for bundling LocalisationUpdate. I think it would be much better to find a way to encourage updating the whole MediaWiki installation of outdated wikis rather than focusing on updating their localisations. If we offer LocalisationUpdate *from now on*, that won't have any effect for wikis that are already using older versions at this moment anyway. And non-WMF wikis are usually in major languages that are already very well localised. SPQRobin (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Why don't security updates include localization updates? I think they should. The fact that many wikis don't update actually makes me like the idea of including this extension a bit more. A separate conversation from if we want to bundle this is how we would make it work. It needs cron, and I'm opposed to bundling any extension that cannot be automatically set up via the web installer. Bawolff (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Can you file a bug with a proposal on how to make the installer set such things up? It was needed for TorBlock too. In the case of LU, running the script once in a while is still a valid use case. Security releases usually include localisation updates, but it depends on Siebrand being notified in advance and having enough time for it the days before. --Nemo 09:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Have you considered that most wikis are not updated for months or years and that sometimes not even 1.x.y releases include localisation updates? WMF wikis are those which need LU less now, thanks to the bi-weekly update. Could you please elaborate on why updated localisation is not so useful in your opinion? I don't know where to start replying. Thanks, Nemo 17:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
SyntaxHighlight GeSHi
- external dependency— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- What external dependency? I think this should be bundled with or merged into the core. It helps a lot with collaboration involving code, and a lot of wikis have adopted it. Leucosticte (talk) 00:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
Interwiki
- (at least the option to view available interwikis, see also InterwikiList) - merged in r45062, reverted in r45238 - "please continue working on it, it'd be a nice thing to have for third-party installations if the UI is cleaned up." (ref)
- It has since been cleaned up quite a lot. I think it should be added to MW core. SPQRobin 20:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, it's a simple extension to view and modify interwikis without having to mess in the database and also keeps track of everything in a logging table. Since the interwiki table is populated by default it makes sense to have this in core. Krinkle 12:44, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Still doesn't work for WMF wikis -- any implementation of this needs to work with $wgInterwikiCache. ^demon 17:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Also, a lot of the complaints I see from the previous merge still exist in the extension: those need resolving. ^demon 17:18, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I made it work with the interwiki cache, and cleaned up the code. Editing the data is disabled when the cache is used. Are there any other issues left? SPQRobin 16:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
See also bug 22043 and bug 31951. Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
TitleBlacklist
- This is probably very useful to avoid a lot of junk on wikis with unexperienced sysops (for instance, Manual:Combating vandalism suggests it in bold). Should probably include some default blacklist for them or default to Meta's global blacklist (which is quite conservative). Nemo 11:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Given the prevalence of spam on wikis these days - this seems valuable to me. --Varnent (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
SpamBlacklist
- Is this actually ready to be merged? See 4459 for a request to basically rewrite it. — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Same as above, but probably less useful unless some statistics prove that there are recurring spammed domains. Nemo 11:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Does anyone doubt that there are recurring spammed domains? We could just compare the blacklists of various sites for recurrence. Ciaran (talk) 14:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
Poem
- no disadvantages — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Merged in r41710, then reverted in r43520— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Should probably be <nobreak> instead of <poem> (<nobr> is not an option because it is part of HTML)— Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree. The tag does a lot more than preserve line breaks. See Extension:Poem. We should keep the <poem> tag, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 23:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Should be merged and not bundled, as there are no disadvantages of merging. --Moejoe000 19:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I concur. It's useful enough by default with no discernable disadvantages, and merging it would be a good idea. I wouldn't mind it being bundled with the installer, but merging would be as good an idea if not better. Arcane21 (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Bundled in MediaWiki 1.21, gerrit:65649
Done: Integrated in core
DeletedContributions
- In core r41178
LinkSearch
- very useful
- In core r40830
Newuserlog
- disableable
- there should be ability to disable it for wikis like Wikia
- In core r40769
UniversalEditButton
- disablable
- In core r41916
PostEdit
- Per bug 48276. --Ori.livneh (talk) 20:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
SimpleAntiSpam
Very silly and harmless, seems to work for some. --Nemo 19:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Any more opinions please?
- Seconded and bundled with gerrit:88483. Should maybe put in queue for integration too? --Nemo 15:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
- In core, see bugzilla:52063 and gerrit:90291. This, that and the other (talk) 07:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
ExpandTemplates
- doubtable usefulness for usual user
- It can make finding bits of code that are buried within templates much easier. If improved, it could even create a tree of sorts. Perhaps this should be in the maybe category?
- In core, see bugzilla:28264 and gerrit:96810. This, that and the other (talk) 07:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
AssertEdit
- Belongs in the API somewhere? Or does it? Maybe the API obsoletes this, in which case we should leave it out (and force people to move to the API to get the benefits). — Preceding subst:unsigned comment added by VasilievVV (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah I guess this can be integrated into the API and just be killed out the main edit form. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 17:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not convinced this is needed. --brion 21:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- In core, see gerrit:90263. The Anonymouse [talk] 05:19, 14 June 2014 (UTC)