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Johnywhy (talkcontribs)


Hope you're the right person to contact. Found your info through these pages, suggested by somebody on phabricator.

I'm building a wiki on a shared webhost, who doesn't support node.js.

Of course i love the new VisualEditor, but without node.js, we cannot use it.

Meantime, WikiEditor is really showing it's age. Other wysiwyg editors, like TinyMCE, CKEditor, etc are buggy or no longer supported (mostly the latter).

I strongly believe MediaWiki's social mission compels you to support low-budget wikis. But if WikiEditor continues to be lame and neglected, while VisualEditor gets all the attention, then you're being elitist, and neglecting MediaWiki's social mission.

Looking forward to your reply.


Johny Why

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

Hi, I have been thinking about your question and what comes is my personal answer. I am not "the right person to contact" but maybe I can help you.

When it comes to low-budget projects, I think the question to be asked is not why depending on JavaScript or node.js to offer a good user experience, but why self-hosting. Running your own server is going to be resource intensive always (where resource includes not only money, also time). Meanwhile, MediaWiki's strength is to be run in a wiki farm (because Wikimedia is at the end a huge wiki farm).

There are wiki farms out there offering free wikis, also with VisualEditor and/or decent editors. Would this be an option for you?

Johnywhy (talkcontribs)

If it's configurable as I need, and going to exist for years, then yes.

I tried the following for a while, and it wasn't bad.

But self-hosting offers more of the options I need, and I know it's not going anywhere.

Note, running a private server is resource intensive, as you mentioned. But shared hosting is less so.


Johnywhy (talkcontribs)

According to this list, miraheze is the only free option that supports visualEditor (with no advertising -- that's a requirement).

Know of any others?

The few paid options matching my self hosted features (incl domain, extensions, flex licensing, custom permissions, etc) plus visualEditor start at yearly $100+ on up to $3,500.

That's not what I would call "low-budget".

My shared hosting, which includes all above plus email hosting and webhosting for 2 more websites, is $15 first year, $50 ea year after. visualEditor is the only missing piece.

My main point with this thread concerns WM core, not hosting. The whole point of open source is access, not restriction.

many thx.

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

With JavaScript spreading all over and with virtual hosting prices falling, I wonder whether using JavaScript is equivalent to "being elitist", and whether low-cost really is really equivalent to no JavaScript.

When it comes to the Wikimedia Foundation, the priority is to improve the user experience of editors, including those without the luxury of a desktop or high bandwidth. Plans go in the direction of offering a better mobile editing experience, because for millions of people low-cost really means regular access to mobile but less so to a desktop.

I guess this explains why the Foundation is investing in VisualEditor and mobile editing via web and native apps, and why there are no plans to develop the legacy editors further.

But anyway, as said all these are just my personal opinions. My talk page and myself are in fact not the best to provide the best informed answer. If you want to discuss this further, I recommend you to do it directly with the developers at the wikitech-l mailing list.

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Extensão para relatório de acessos

Caio martins2011 (talkcontribs)

Bom dia amigos.

Preciso saber quantos acessos foram realizados por página. Existem alguma extensão que faça isso?

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

Hi, this is just my personal Talk page. If you have more questions, please ask in Project:Support desk, where others will be able to help as well. Thank you.

Caio martins2011 (talkcontribs)

Olá amigos,

Preciso alterar a página principal utilizada pelo sistema, ao abrir preciso que chame uma página especifica e não a página principal.

Também gostaria de saber se há a possibilidade de alteração do nome de uma página já criada.

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)
Caio martins2011 (talkcontribs)

I solved the problem with your tip. Thank you very much.

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GorillaWarfare (talkcontribs)

Hi Qgil! I've been working on my Summer of Code/OPW proposal and was hoping to get some feedback on it before I got too far along. It's not on the list of recommended project ideas, so I wanted to make sure you thought it was feasible and that it had some chance of receiving broader support. Thanks! (talk) 12:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

Interesting idea, and very good project proposal structure overall. You have clearly invested a lot of thought and time already. Congratulations?

Have you found a mentor? In any case, the next steps recommended are:

  • Creating a new enhancement request in Bugzilla, unless there is already an open report about this.
  • Sending an email to wikitech-l pointing to the wiki page of your proposal and the bug report.

Good luck! And see you there.

GorillaWarfare (talkcontribs)

I have not found a mentor yet, no. I sent an email yesterday to User:Raylton P. Sousa, who maintains the BookManager extension and was on the mentors list for GSoC 2012, but I've not heard back as of yet. Do you have any suggestions for people who might have relevant knowledge and would be willing to mentor?

As for Bugzilla, there are quite a few bugs that are somewhat related. The issue of having a way to represent books is namely mentioned in bug 15071. There are also a number of bugs specifically related to the BookManager extension here. Do you think I need to create a new request, or are these close enough?

I will send an email to wikitech-l shortly.

Thank you!

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

Bug 15071 is blocking several others and it's followed already by 12 people, including some maintainers that have commented. So yes, it's a good destination to announce your project proposal.

Raylton was indeed interested in mentoring. Being a maintainer of the BookManager extension and a admin he seems to be the ideal mentor for your project, yes. But you don't need to wait for his answer to announce your project idea at Bugzilla and wikitech-l.

But before I would still try to polish your project summary a bit. Are you able to summarize in one sentence the solution your project aims to deliver? If you can, use it as opening of the summary. It's amazing how impatient readers are nowadays...  :)

GorillaWarfare (talkcontribs)

Alright, I will announce the project there and on wikitech-l after I put a little more work into the proposal! Thanks for the feedback.

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Newsletter y descripciones que no soportan wikitexto

MarcoAurelio (talkcontribs)

Hola Quim:

¿Existe ticket en Phabricator para Newsletter:Newsletter²?

Me refiero a que, como verás, aunque intentes dar formato a la descripción de la newsletter, se muestra todo como texto plano.

Aprovecho la ocasión para saludarte. Espero que estés bien.

Un saludo.

MarcoAurelio (talkcontribs)

Hola de nuevo. He creado un ticket en Phabricator en relación a este asunto. Un saludo.

Qgil-WMF (talkcontribs)

Hola @MarcoAurelio, muchas gracias por tu continuo interés en mejorar esta extensión. Acabo de responder en Phabricator.

MarcoAurelio (talkcontribs)

Sí, lo he visto. Gracias a tí por la ayuda. Me gusta newsletter, creo que tiene un gran potencial. Un saludo.

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