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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Trizek (WMF)/Archive 1 on 2015-09-30.

"Flow" => "Structured Discussions" renaming is confusing

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Yaron Koren (talkcontribs)

I see that you've been changing "Flow" to "Structured Discussions" on a lot of pages, in both page contents and page names. No offense intended, but that seems like a bad idea, and I think you should undo most or all of those changes. The change makes it seem like the "Flow" extension has been renamed or replaced, but it has not yet - and if it does get renamed or replaced, I'm guessing that the new name will not be "Structured Discussions". (At least, I hope not, because that name is hard to keep saying.) It may be that the internal WMF project to provide, er, structured discussions is no longer being referred to as "Flow", but the software is still called "Flow". It looks like you did a blanket search-and-replace, which leads to factually incorrect statements like "Structured Discussions has been deployed on user talk and wiki-wide discussion pages". Please consider just undoing your changes, if you don't have time to be more careful in the text.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi Yaron

I've spent time to review every text I was changing. If you have seen some pieces of text that seem to need improivements, please tell me.

The announcement concerning the updates from Flow to Structured Discussions will happen soon. The documentation has been updated to reflect those changes. Repos and Extension will be renamed soon, as a second step. Meanwhile, Flow will remain a secondary name for Structured Discussions, like Echo has been the former name of Notifications.

Yaron Koren (talkcontribs)

I'm... not sure what to say here. Flow hasn't been renamed, and neither has Echo. But if you don't care about confusing users, there's not much I can say.

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Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talkcontribs)

Bonjour Trizek, désolé de venir t'ennuyer avec une chose aussi peu importante, mais je n'ai pas trouvé le moyen d'activer Flow pour mes pages de discussion sur wa.wiktionary.org et wa.wikipedia.org

Faut-il en faire la demande sur cette page ?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Bonjour

Pas de souci, je suis là pour répondre à ce type demande.

Flow n'est pas installé sur les wikis en Wallon. Il faut donc bien faire une demande sur cette page, une fois un consensus communautaire atteint ou une décision communautaire prise. Il sera alors possible d'activer Flow en Beta pour les utilisateurs ou à la demande pour des pages communautaires spécifiques, comme c'est sur Wikipédia en français.

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talkcontribs)

Je vais donc lancer une discussion et attendre (un mois ?) avant de venir en faire la demande. Il n'y a pas beaucoup d'utilisateurs là-bas...

Merci :-)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

S'il y a peu d'activité, il peut sembler difficile de savoir si les gens s'expriment. Quand je regarde comment la communauté s'est exprimée, je regarde les modifications récentes pour savoir si une majorité représentative s'est exprimée. Tu peux faire pareil et ainsi contacter directement les personnes actives. :)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talkcontribs)

J'ai demandé un avis ici (wa.wiktionary) et ici (wa.wikipedia), je notifie @Lucyin et @Srtxg qui sont les deux (seuls ?) plus gros contributeurs et administrateurs (je crois). Peut-être auront-ils la gentillesse de venir s'exprimer ici.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

C'est bien la première fois que ma page de discussion héberge une telle décision ! Au moins je serai informé en direct ! :)

Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talkcontribs)

... et un mois plus tard, les deux contributeurs actifs sur Wikipedia et Wiktionnaire en Wallon ont voté « oui » pour l'installation de flow. Je pense qu'on peut y aller. :-)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hé bien c'est parti mon kiki !

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Someone asking for help to get Flow installed on a wiki

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MarcoAurelio (talkcontribs)

Bonjour. I'm not sure if "pings" work well but if you could see Topic:Tvgv9hts2n6apa2h I'd appreciate it. Regards.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

¡Holà! Yes, pings work. I've just forgotten to leave a message saying I have seen the request and forwarded it.

MarcoAurelio (talkcontribs)

Good, good. Happy to know they know about that. Regards & sorry.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

No problem, the fault is on my side. :)

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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Test paste: Wikipedia:Proposed mergers or request the page mover user right.

(These links were copied from an enwiki page.)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I think that this is a bug, but I'm not sure. The wikitext that I (rich-)copied (from read-mode, not from a wikitext editor) is [[Wikipedia:Proposed mergers]] or request the [[Wikipedia:Page mover|page mover]] user right. When I hover, it says that it will take me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_mergers or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_mover.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I think it is a bug too.

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)

Now possible :)

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

Hi Trizek, could you move this page from (أسئلة) to (أسئلة عامة)

we make discussion here , thanks

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi Ibrahim

Can you delete that page first: https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A9_%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9&redirect=no

Thanks!

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

Done

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

OK, I have a problem.

I've tried t move that page, and get that message: "flow-board" content is not allowed on page ويكيبيديا:أسئلة عامة

I've created an empty Flow board to test if it was possible to move that page to a new Flow board, and it didn't worked.

I'll check with developers if something is going wrong and will keep you posted.

Sorry for that delay.

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

thanks Trizek :)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Done! (Finally!)

Summary by Trizek (WMF)

Done!

محمد شعیب (talkcontribs)

Please enable flow on ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز, Thanks.

جار الله (talkcontribs)

Hello Can you activate Flow on this page https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B3%D8%AC%D9%84_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1 not on the talk page, We want this page to be similar to this page https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Contato/Fale_com_a_Wikip%C3%A9dia

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hello جار الله

Do you have a community decision to create that page, as directed here?

جار الله (talkcontribs)

yes here https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%3A%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%2F%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA%2F%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9&type=revision&diff=20798862&oldid=20787928

بدارين (talkcontribs)
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Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Done.

Don't forget that Flow is under Beta and will not have any improvements soon.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

By the way, have you considered to enable Flow as a Beta feature? By that way, people can add (or remove) Flow from their own talk page, instead of make a request (which can take time).

بدارين (talkcontribs)

please activate flow on this page نقاش المستخدم:بدارين

 
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

بدارين, can you ask your community about the Beta mode instead of that manual activation?

بدارين (talkcontribs)

There's no consensus at the moment But there are a lot of calls to give the user the ability to add the feature if he chooses to, as shown Special:EnableFlow

Why not to grant the bureaucrat the ability to give the feature to other users

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'll ask. :) If that's possible, I'll keep you posted.

I didn't knew you already discussed about that. I was asking, because the most easier thing for us is to give that Beta function to everyone.

بدارين (talkcontribs)

please reactivate flow on my page نقاش المستخدم:بدارين and ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات

Why had flow been disabled when I moved my discussion page !?

and Disturbing notifications because the flow checkbox at Preferences is checked by default

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The question is more why have you moved back your page?

If I understand correctly, ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات was not included in the community consensus. Can you clarify?

Thanks! :)

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

Hi Trizek, my mate (بدارين) request is discussed in our community indeed, we in Arwiki need to enable Flow to this pages (ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات) and ( Ar:ويكيبيديا:أسئلة حقوق ملفات الوسائط ) also , because this is help pages and flow system is very good for it,

Flow in Arwiki is stable and no bugs (specially in RTL) after 8 months of testing, Our community is fully satisfied with it and no objections yet.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Ibrahim.ID, do you have a page where your community has decided to user Flow on ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات and ويكيبيديا:أسئلة حقوق ملفات الوسائط. I only have that page, without that decision: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA#.D8.AA.D8.AC.D8.B1.D8.A8.D8.A9_.D8.AA.D8.AF.D9.81.D9.82_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B1.D8.B3.D8.A7.D8.A6.D9.84

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

this discussions about: ويكيبيديا:أسئلة and ويكيبيديا:سجل الزوار only, we just discuss to add flow التدفق here , but we don't make a new vote, I'm sure 100% our local community will approve that pages, but if you insist, I will make a new vote.

Ibrahim.ID (talkcontribs)

Our community approve "Flow" in Arwiki 1 year ago (the main discuss) with fully consensus.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

if you are sure that your community is approving these new deployment, that's fine. i'll do that next week if you don't mind.

And thank for reporting your community appreciation. The Collaboration team was very happy to know that! :)

بدارين (talkcontribs)

Hello . I'd like to remind you to re-enable the flow on my discussion page, because the transfer was meant for experience

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

YesY For بدارين 's talk page

I think you should consider to have that Flow activation done as a Beta feature. That way, anyone can activate or unactivate Flow on its talk page.

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Requête de Flow sur Portail:Jeu vidéo

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)

Fait !

Niridya (talkcontribs)

Bonjour Trizek !!

J'ai une bonne nouvelle : la communauté à voté pour Flow sur la page Portail:Jeu vidéo à 60% pour.

Cordialement.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Look at https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:T6u6n0e244ak3wta&action=history

The editor placed a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milène_Guermont which resulted in a [[Local link]] with the URL showing as the label. You can see my fix to the link in the thread's history.

(Also, the editor probably needs an explanation of how to create the article at frwiki and/or why it can't be done.)

^ The above was typed in Flow-with-wikitext. The below is Flow-with-VisualEditor. I wonder whether the links will behave differently?

The link was to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milène_Guermont. I wonder if a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MED (which has no accents) would behave the same. Or perhaps the percent-encoding is important? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil%C3%A8ne_Guermont They all show proper (enwiki) targets when I hover over them.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That's the first time I encounter that bug. I use Flow everyday on fr, and, as you know, we have plenty of accents and, afak, no problems.

I think that person get confused by how to create a link. It is a common mistake I was used to see before we have VE to edit pages: some people using wikitext believes that they have to put the label first, and then the target. I think that person tried to create a interwiki link via wikitext editor (you know, the tricky ones) and didn't succeed.

I'll left a comment on that user talk page on fr.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I haven't been able to reproduce it, and I did try. "User error" is not an unreasonable assumption for now.

Thanks for helping the user.

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