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Tol (talkcontribs)

Hello! Could a passing administrator please change the content model of my talk page (User talk:Tol) to wikitext rather than Structured Discussions? Thank you!

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Done!

Tol (talkcontribs)

Thank you!

MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

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Hello!

As we have recently announced, we, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on September 15th, 23:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (first three points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

See you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Results for the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

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Xeno (talkcontribs)
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Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2021 Board election. The Elections Committee has reviewed the votes of the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election, organized to select four new trustees. A record 6,873 people from across 214 projects cast their valid votes. The following four candidates received the most support:

  1. Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
  2. Victoria Doronina
  3. Dariusz Jemielniak
  4. Lorenzo Losa

While these candidates have been ranked through the community vote, they are not yet appointed to the Board of Trustees. They still need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. The Board has set a tentative date to appoint new trustees at the end of this month.

Read the full announcement here.

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Main page Chinese translation problems

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Tranve (talkcontribs)

Hi! Recently I have improved some translations of the main page, and found several problems doing the job:

  1. It seems that there's a hardcoded whitespace after each sentence in the top section, but these whitespaces should not be seen in Chinese.
  2. MediaWiki/zh-hant and MediaWiki/zh-hans don't work with LanguageConverter markups. It formerly use Template:Conversion-zh to function but making the translation quite a mess, and it also doesn't work with this (it use automatic conversion of the zh-hans version), so I removed it.

I'm asking here if anyone can provide a wise solution of these.

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Other languages require whitespace after each sentence, so please compromise on whitespace.

Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

No, there’s no need to compromise. Just like how you won’t force German translators to write common names in lower case, French to omit the space before colons or Japanese to write dates in MDY format, you shouldn’t force Chinese to have spaces where there shouldn’t be. There are multiple options to solve this:

  • Conditionally insert the space, i.e. {{int:word-separator/{{pagelang}}}} ({{int}} doesn’t seem to work for this use case).
  • Let translators translate whole paragraphs. This is how the Translate extension is designed to work, and it gives translators more freedom (for example, something that’s expressed in two sentences in English, may fit better in one sentence in another language).
Tranve (talkcontribs)

Thanks! I think the second way may be a better solution.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Translating whole paragraphs wastes translator effort when only a sentence of a large paragraph is edited, and it invalidates a large region of text.

Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

If only one sentence of a large paragraph is edited, then only that needs to be retranslated. Yes, the whole paragraph is marked as outdated and gets the pink background, but the translation interface shows a diff, so the translator can see which sentence they need to retranslate. They can ignore the rest (or check if the translation of the rest is correct, but that’s completely optional).

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Well, that's true, but translation uses translation units instead of translating the whole page for the same reason.

Tranve (talkcontribs)

Thank everyone here for your replies!

If using whole paragraphs as a translation unit is really problematic, I think the first solution is also acceptable.

Lakejason0 (talkcontribs)

DO NOT use the LanguageConverter marker (-{}-) on main page please; they would break when directly accessing the Main page instead of Main page/zh. @Tranve

MGChecker (talkcontribs)

I agree that translating whole paragraphs is the correct solution. Otherwise, high-quality translations are generally impossible anyway.

Translating whole paragraphs is not the same as translating the whole page.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

How high-quality translations are impacted with the split of sentences? In all the translations I've made to Spanish, I have found no case where 2 or more sentences in a paragraph needed to be restructured when translated.

Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

I run into it every now and then. For example, when the (in English) three-sentence first paragraph of Extension:Cognate/hu was split up into three units, I had no other choice than blanking one of them in Hungarian, as translating it as more than two sentences would result in text that simply doesn’t sound good. In English, short and basic sentences are usual. In Hungarian, it’s very common to use compound sentences. (Maybe it’s because Hungarian sentences tend to have less words than their English equivalents—the subject can often be left out, instead of prepositions and auxiliary verbs, we just put all information in affixes, compound words never contain spaces—except for some cases involving words with foreign origins—, and so on. For example, “I have already logged in to my mail account.” is translated as “Már bejelentkeztem a postafiókomba.”, five words less.)

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Fair enough.

For large paragraphs and bullet points, I think splitting translation units is the correct approach. For example, adding a new sentence to an existing paragraph or a new bullet point to a list, when adding it to its own unit, makes only the new addition untranslated. On the other hand, merging it into the main unit, causes the entire paragraph or list to become untranslated. This is specially harmful when those annoying bots just blindly null-edit those outdated translations, making them current but without including the new content, and nobody will notice even reviewing changes.

Tranve (talkcontribs)

Thank you all for your comments!

However, the problem I actually want to solve is the whitespace after each sentence. If treating the whole paragraph as a translation unit isn't a good approach, is it possible to replace the white space with something like {{int:word-separator/{{pagelang}}}}, just as what Tacsipacsi mentioned above?

UPD: It seems that this problem also exists on lots of pages besides Main Page.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Manually adding a template or something to conditionally insert white space would make wiki code much harder to read and edit (more than the current status).

I wonder if the software could provide some help here, for example, removing white space automatically when present between adjacent translation units, in languages where it's needed. There may be probably some corner cases where this is unwanted, though.

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unable to put a picture into my wiki

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DA95 (talkcontribs)

hi everyone

My problem: I wanted to upload a picture (png.) from my computer into my wikipage.

Everything looks good until i get this:

We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.

I've got the permission to use this picture, it shows nothing sexualthere is nothing violent or anything at all in it. What should i do?

thanks.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

Looking at task T146938, it looks like a filter used to prevent newbie users from uploading files to commons directly from other wikis (from the visual editor of a wiki different from commons). You should be able to upload it from commons: and then link to it from your page.

Tobias1xv (talkcontribs)

Me too :(

Naveen Kr Jindal (talkcontribs)

@Ciencia Al Poder Hi, even in commons link which you have provided above, I tried to upload my pics and I've authorised lisence to use these photos as the photos I'm trying to upload belongs to me but still I'm getting an automated error

"We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.

The content must be freely licensed. Do not copy files illegally (in violation of copyright) from other websites.

If you believe that the file meets our licensing standards: Upload the file again or click "Retry failed uploads"/"Submit modified file description"

Please guide me how can I upload these pictures.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)
2405:201:8006:38:AC54:1060:9D5A:10F (talkcontribs)

I am getting exactly the same issue with my picture - one that I took, Any solutions?

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

No solution if you're asking here. See previous comment.

108.56.207.169 (talkcontribs)

Same issue. This is ridiculous! It also seems biased towards American public figures.

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The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey will happen in January

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back!

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

Please help translate to your language

You are humbly invited to participate in the Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 an international photography contest organized on Wikimedia Commons to document folklore and intangible cultural heritage from different regions, including, folk creative activities and many more. It is held every year from the 1st till the 28th of February.

You can help in enriching the folklore documentation on Commons from your region by taking photos, audios, videos, and submitting them in this commons contest.

Please support us in translating the project page and a banner message to help us spread the word in your native language.

Kind regards,

Wiki loves Folklore International Team

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

Universal Code of Conduct - Enforcement draft guidelines review

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MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee would like comments about the enforcement draft guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). This review period is planned to begin 17 August 2021.

Community and staff members collaborated to develop these draft guidelines based on consultations, discussions, and research. These guidelines are not final but you can help move the progress forward. Provide comments about these guidelines by 17 October 2021. The committee will be revising the guidelines based upon community input.

Everyone may share comments in a number of places. Facilitators welcome comments in any language on the draft review talk page or by email. Comments can also be shared on talk pages of translations, at local discussions, or during round-table discussions and conversation hours.

There are planned live discussions about the UCoC enforcement draft guidelines:

Wikimania 2021 session (recorded 16 August)
Conversation hours - 24 August, 31 August, 7 September @ 03:00 UTC & 14:00 UTC
Roundtable calls - 18 September @ 03:00 UTC & 15:00 UTC

The facilitation team supporting this review period hopes to reach a large number of communities. Having a shared understanding is important. If you do not see a conversation happening in your community, please organize a discussion. Facilitators can assist you in setting up the conversations.

Discussions will be summarized and presented to the drafting committee every two weeks. The summaries will be published here.

Please let me know if you have any questions. ~~~~

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Change broken link of a post

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Summary by Wladek92

done.

62.37.126.27 (talkcontribs)

Hello.

We are writing to you from the Digital Marketing agency Roi Scroll, on behalf of Aerobus.

We want to inform you that the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2018/Prehackathon_Olot

with the title Wikimedia Hackathon 2018/Prehackathon Olot - MediaWiki

links to an Aerobus content http://www.aerobusbcn.com/en/

, but the link no longer works, the correct link is https://aerobusbarcelona.es/?lang=en.

We suggest you update it so that your readers are not sent to a page that no longer exists.

Thank you very much for your cooperation.

Regards.

Wladek92 (talkcontribs)