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please allow me to complete my work

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Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

your interventions generate too frequent edition conflicts on my side and I loose my work. Please dont track me as soon as I make an update and leave enough time for the EN pages to find back a status 'translation requested' before modifying'. Thanks.

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Please do not mark the page for translation. I will fix the page after your edits.

Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

It is not the subject, I was making a bulk of formatting and I loose them because you intervent. Even if I made mistakes they are compliant with the generated translated units and cover 99% of the work so please be patient or prepare correctly in advance the pages you confirm to be translated.

don't delete actual translation

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Cronolio (talkcontribs)
Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Do not create empty categories.

Cronolio (talkcontribs)

Then translate it as you want.

Cronolio (talkcontribs)

To me it looks like you doing some sort of vandalism

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)

@Shirayuki Please do not delete translations. The parent category exists, and if the category is empty this is because there's no Russian translation yet for articles in that category, but those translations may be created in the future and the category will be required

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

I see, but the category is empty for many years and source pages are not prepared for translation.

Cronolio (talkcontribs)

maybe then problem in translate marking on original page. on other wiki we don't add categories part of page at all in translation, but then only english categories linking available

WikiForMen (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the helping hand! :-) --~~~~~

WikiForMen (talkcontribs)

I have added 4 more tags but this does not work. :-(

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Translation administrators should verify and mark the page for translation.

WikiForMen (talkcontribs)

This is wrong:

I insert the translation once again

but it does not appear. I have no idea what happens here????

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

It is a bug of Extension:Translate. To enable newly added translation units, a dummy edit and re-mark for translation are required :(

WikiForMen (talkcontribs)

Looks much better! *highfive* :-)

Markup request

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Xbony2 (talkcontribs)

Good day Shirayuki,

Could you mark up Manual:Page title for translation? I have added translations tags and other markup, but I do not have translation administrative permissions, and also am not hugely aware of local conventions for this wiki in regards to translations.

Thank you for your time.

Marking changes for translation

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Skizzerz (talkcontribs)

I've noticed that you've previously prepped the page Extension:StopForumSpam for translation. I've added a new "Logging" section to it but I'm unsure of the nuances to adding translate tags around it and marking it for translation (apparently these must be manually added before marking the page, and I'm not comfortable with the correct process of how to do that). Mind re-marking it for me?

Minorax (talkcontribs)
Minorax (talkcontribs)
Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

I believe "two weeks block" is a tacit convention on MediaWiki.org.

Minorax (talkcontribs)

Ok, thanks for your reply.

Summary last edited by Wladek92 20:39, 29 March 2020 4 days ago

Yes Done ; topic linked: Topic:Vh91c7kam5vqy7qn

Dcljr (talkcontribs)

This is a problem. It creates invalid HTML on that page (Help:Links), since it results in two identical 'id' values on the same page. What are we going to do about this?

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

As I wrote, it is required for translation pages. If it is a problem, please file as a bug on Phabricator.

Dcljr (talkcontribs)

You would have to do that, since I am not familiar with the technical details of how translation works. (I'm not even sure what we would be asking them to do, exactly.)

This seems more like a "cultural" problem (i.e., we've decided to do things this way, mostly for convenience) than a technical one (it is actually required to do it this way).

Could such redundant anchors be <!-- commented out --> on the English version and then uncommented on the non-English ones?

Do you know if this has been discussed before (say, at Project:Current issues)?

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I was asked to chime in, so I'm here. As a translation admin elsewhere, I usually don't care that much about anchors. I know Translate has some flaws and this seems to be another one. Raising at the talk venue or in Phabricator is a good idea. Anyway, no edit warring please.

Dcljr (talkcontribs)

There is no edit warring.

Dcljr (talkcontribs)

I still don't understand why inserting redundant anchors is somehow "required". What technical limitation is involved here? AFAICT, this is being done merely to aid translators who may not realize that they should include anchors in the translated versions that work with existing section links (in the English version). In other words, a cultural issue, not a technical one. Am I wrong about this? How?

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)
Dcljr (talkcontribs)

I can't file a bug report if I don't understand what makes this a bug. Why aren't you getting this?

You are the one who claims duplicate anchors are somehow "required". I don't believe that is true. Thus, I don't think this is a bug at all. And therefore I have no reason to file a bug about it.

I can, however, ask someone else who might deign to answer my question instead of just repeating the same non-answer. So, yeah… goodbye.

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

I don't think this is a problem. Nothing to do.

Marking for translations pages

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Sido uku (talkcontribs)
Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Yes Done

Nicole Sharp (talkcontribs)

Shortened redirect pages are necessary for better searching and linking within the wiki, as well as for generating shorter hyperlinks and interwikilinks to pages on mediawiki.org. The benefits gained from having both SimpleMathJax and Extension:SimpleMathJax on the wiki far outweigh any costs. Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:00, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Use [[Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SimpleMathJax|SimpleMathJax]] or {{ll|Extension:SimpleMathJax|nsp=0}} on mediawiki.org.

Nicole Sharp (talkcontribs)

That's even longer. It's just faster and easier to type "SimpleMathJax" when linking or searching, than having to type in "Extension:" as well, if it can be made unnecessary with a simple redirect: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SimpleMathJax is faster to type and easier to share. For the redirect, there isn't any risk of conflation or need of disambiguation (like there would be for "MathJax"). Nicole Sharp (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the workload

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SUM1 (talkcontribs)

When I came here, I barely understood the translation system here on MediaWiki and tended to add as seemed intuitive based on the code already present.

I've now discovered Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation administration and will try to operate based on it in the future.

Also, I'm assuming that <tvar|1> and <tvar|2> work the same as <tvar|first variable name> and <tvar|second variable name> when within <translate> tags, right?

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

No, "1" and "2" are variable names. I think variable names should be untranslatable, because some translators translate variable names.

SUM1 (talkcontribs)

Okay, should've just read that help page closer again. So they get shown to editors as "1" and "2" to discourage them from translating.

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)