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how to sign on wikimedia foundation

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Ghetto Gal (talkcontribs)

I try sign on wikimedia foundation but it not working

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Do you mean www.wikimediafoundation.org/? That wiki is locked so that only authorised accounts can edit there. You can ask for an account at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for_an_account_on_the_Foundation_wiki on meta, if you have a reason to need one.

Non-binary current edit

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Summary by Jdforrester (WMF)

Interesting idea; let's follow-up on Phabricator!

Kjerish (talkcontribs)

Instead of a user edit being either current or not current, what if there was an indicator on the contribution page that indicated how many bytes have changed since an edit? Would that have an effect on performance? That would be very useful, and interesting to see the numbers get larger as you scroll back!

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the picture. You're not looking for the number of bytes changed by that edit; you're looking for the net number of bytes changed since that edit – which could mean processing a very short list of subsequent edits, or, in some cases, could mean processing thousands of edits. There is some potential for significant performance issues in the latter.

Jdforrester might have different advice, but my suggestion to you is to write up a description of what you want to see on phab:. How to report a bug explains how to do it. You might additionally make a note on your calendar to look for the next m:Community wishlist survey, which should start in ~10 months. You could suggest this idea there, too.

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Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

Hello, happy New year ))) I have 2 accounts. I scored a password - user:Bari srtik, one of the stewards said that can help system administrators. On the personal page of Bari srtik, it is written that this is my page. Please help me...Ankax Hayastan (talk) 10:10, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing (talkcontribs)

What is the practical problem? If you don't want to use two accounts, then simply stop using the second account. (Some people want two accounts. For example, they use one account on their own computers, and another when they visit an internet café.)

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

You did not understand me

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

I want to use my second account. But I don't remember the password. I want to get a new password, but I haven't used email.

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

I want to use my two accounts

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

I am don't good speak English.

WhatamIdoing (talkcontribs)

Without an e-mail address, password resets are almost impossible. Unless a system administrator has met you in person, or knew that you had both accounts before the password is lost, then it cannot be done.

User:Yurik could probably explain this.

Alsee (talkcontribs)

I noticed this thread because I had this page watchlisted from an old discussion.

Userpage m:User:Bari_srtik has not been edited by anyone except the owner (history link). The account has no contributions outside it's own userpage and usertalk page (contrib link). The user page says:

Hello, I am Bari srtik (nickname), and I am volunteer in wiki projects. My first user's page - Ankax Hayastan (6AND5).

The grammar is odd, but the meaning is clear. I have no idea what the (6AND5) part is about, but assuming there are no other accounts resembling "Ankax Hayastan" then it seems reasonable to reset Bari_srtik to it's asserted owner. However I couldn't find an explicit policy on reset requests.

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

My first name 6AND5 - https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%3AAnkax_Hayastan&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=77493200&oldid=77280156

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A3%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8/Bari_srtik

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

On the personal page of the second account says that my account.

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bari_srtik&oldid=15515863

Ankax Hayastan (talkcontribs)

@Jdforrester (WMF), you will help me?

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Engaging with and understood by the community

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Rogol Domedonfors (talkcontribs)

It would cost you nothing to respond to sensible suggestions and requests from the community with helpful and informative responses, rather than amusing yourself with unhelpful flippancies. You are clearly capable of understanding and responding in a positive and constructive fashion if you so choose – please try to do so regularly in future, you might even find that you come to enjoy it.

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[Moved] Enabling "Single Edit Tab" mode on a third party installation

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Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Originally posted elsewhere by @Rozpalacz:

Single edit tab is close, but I still have a problem. I have fresh installation MW 1.27 with Visual Editor, I'm logged in as Admnistrator but I can not see option Editing mode: in Preferences. How can I enable this option? I would like to get Visual Editor as a default editor. Thanks.

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hey. That feature was added about a year ago in 748db015 to fix T58337, and made it into MW 1.27; the option you mention sets the visualeditor-tabs preference and should be available, as long as you set $wgVisualEditorUseSingleEditTab to true in your LocalSettings.php file. If that's the case, did you also set visualeditor-enable to 1 there too?

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Pamputt (talkcontribs)

Hi Jdforrester, could you explain me a bit why did you remove the translation tags on VisualEditor. You wrote it is because a bug of the Translate extension. What bug is it? Thanks in advance.

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hey there. The superb Translate extension is sadly incompatible with the visual editor. It is inappropriate to try to make such pages translatable, as it just makes the wiki terrible for everyone. Switching Translate over to not be based on strings but instead DOM is a huge piece of work. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131516 is the top-level task for this.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I disagree that "superb" is an appropriate descriptor for Extension:Translate. "Brittle" and "strange" seem like much more appropriate words.

Pamputt (talkcontribs)

Hmmm, so if I understand correctly, it just means that since people are using Visual Editor, translation tags should not be used because there are troubles with it. Right?

Pamputt (talkcontribs)

Basically, what you described is just a problem for English version, mainly for users who use visual editor. For all others languages, it is not a problem at all since users of such languages have only access to the translation interface. So should we stop to translate pages just because there are some issue with visual editor? I guess most of people who write on mediawiki do not use VE but I may be wrong.

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

No, it is a problem for the "master" version whatever language it is written in. We have been manually translating pages for 16 years. Doing so is not that onerous.

Pamputt (talkcontribs)

So, if I understand correctly your point, Translate extension should not be used on any wiki, right? Because I guess there are the same issues whatever the wiki the extension is used on. Sorry if I ask naive question but it is because I am a bit surprised because I never met someone that shows me these issues before. For example, on Wikidata, translate extension is widely used and I never met someone that talk to me about such problem so far.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Extension:Translate is "safe" to use on pages that you do not expect to edit again. It's used for m:Tech/News, for example: the 'master' copy is finalized, and then all of the translations are made. And we (to our sorrow) use it on some Help: pages, including Help:VisualEditor/User guide, which needs to be changed frequently. However, the use of the translate extension there deters people from updating the help page. Even experienced editors avoid editing that page. So it is continually out of date.

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Arystanbek (talkcontribs)

Please turn on Visual Editor as default for all user on kk.wikipedia.org. Discussion is here

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I have posted this as phab:T97315. Kazakh is a complicated language system, and our support for it is weak at the moment. It might be better to encourage more extensive testing first.

Rozpalacz (talkcontribs)

Single edit tab is close, but I still have a problem. I have fresh installation MW 1.27 with Visual Editor, I'm logged in as Admnistrator but I can not see option Editing mode: in Preferences. How can I enable this option? I would like to get Visual Editor as a default editor. Thanks.

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Updating Citoid with latest translators

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Czar (talkcontribs)

How often does the MW codebase sync with Zotero's official translator repo? I wrote a translator that was accepted today on Github but it's not working with Citoid right now.

Mvolz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Arbitrarily. Our fork was last updated in August but I think our last upstream merge was sometime before that... definitely not ideal. I'll make sure it gets done again soon (mobrovac is another person to bug about that- he does deploy for citoid).

Also- thanks for writing a translator! That's awesome!

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hey @Czar, I agree with Mvolz, it's awesome that you did that.

Would you mind telling us whether you followed any guides in particular? Do you have tips, recommendations, advice that you can share with others willing to do the same? That would be so appreciated. Thank you again.

Czar (talkcontribs)

Oy, this could be a long post... I love Zotero and use it for academic articles but it needs more website translators and better citation export for Wikipedians, so I'm trying to help where I can with that. I was excited about Citoid and posted at W:WT:VG about making translators for our project's common sites but the translator coding barrier to entry is quite high—particularly its tutorial materials, which are partly what kept me from contributing for so long.

I used the "HWZT" tutorial (by Crymble and with additions on the Zotero wiki) but, frankly, it was needlessly complicated. The best route right now is to get set up with Firefox and Scaffold, learn how to get XPaths with Firebug, and use the "Framework" template (which is supported in Scaffold). But if you could screencast Sebastian's potential training, it surely would be much more efficient than the day I poured into figuring this out. I also think there are some easy fixes I can target to improve integration with Wikipedia (update embedded metadata translator, create Chrome extension like CiteGen that matches {{cite web}} standard formatting and uses Citoid? but allows for customization so editors can create citations with one click even outside VE). Have a lot more thoughts on this, if I can be useful

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

We're all ears. :) Also, let us know what you think about our suggestion about whether Sebastian could be interested in turning the "webinar" into a Tech talk in February or later. Can you get in touch with him, perhaps?

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

(I did find Topic:Su1wa035uoywpxeu after I left my message.)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Maybe @Mvolz will know the answer.

Czar (talkcontribs)

@Mvolz (WMF) @Mobrovac-WMF Requesting another upstream merge for the translators repo (I wrote a few more translators with a few more in the pipeline. I'm also mostly done with a hideous automatic citation expander that uses the Citoid API to automate the majority of online material that I cite in my workflow.)

(1) Would it be better to request future merges on Phrabricator? (2) Is there a reason for merging manually instead of automatically?

Mvolz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Czar unfortunately merging automatically doesn't work :(. For some reason git has a really hard time merging files with "last updated" strings inside the translators and every time we merge we have to manually fix up a lot of the files, which is pretty error prone and time consuming.

Mobrovac-WMF (talkcontribs)

(1) Yes, it'd be easier to track progress that way.

(2) Enabling translators in the stand-alone zotero service is done by setting a flag in each translator (so as to indicate that it can be used in the service, and some are known not to work), so we have an extra patch with which we do that. Alternatively, we should try to upstream our fork and use the upstream repo directly. @Mvolz (WMF) already filed a patch for that.

When you say you're almost done, does it mean you have more work to do on the translators? Would it be worth waiting for the work to be complete before doing an upstream merge?

Mvolz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Mobrovac-WMF Unfortunately there's a hiccup with that change, which is that the google books fix we put in place to anonymize google books urls isn't accepted, because they only fill out the url field if the full text is available.

So we are back to having our own fork or putting that change in citoid itself specifically for google books links. Not sure which road to go down really.

Mobrovac-WMF (talkcontribs)

@Mvolz (WMF), hm, how about we just upstream the activation part of the patch? That would at least help us merge upstream changes more easily. It's not glorious, but it's a start.

Czar (talkcontribs)

@Mobrovac-WMF Everything that has been pulled upstream is good to go—I just meant that I will be making more in the future and I didn't know how often I should request a merge (since I'd like to use the translators with Citoid)

@Mvolz (WMF), if you would like a hand with the Zotero end of that pull request (so that Citoid can use the upstream repo directly), let me know and I can give it a try

Mobrovac-WMF (talkcontribs)

Awesome, @Czar, thank you on your efforts! I will do my best to bring the update to our fork ASAP (I'm on Wikimania currently, so this probably won't happen before next week).

Mobrovac-WMF (talkcontribs)

The latest changes from upstream have been merged and are now live.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Gummi bear saying "thank you" for the VE tables.
103.15.140.158 (talkcontribs)

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Dvorapa (talkcontribs)

Hello,

I think, that portals could allure users with some topic, they could help them with navigation in that topic and they could offer them also some news and interesting facts about that topic. But so many users still don't even know, what is their purpose. Therefore I've got an idea, which would be worth realizing. Users could check (in Settings/Beta) not to see the Main Page, but to be redirected to their selected portal. I.e. if that user then clicks at Wikipedia logo, or types e.g. en.wikipedia.org in their browser (logged in of course), their selected portal will be openned instead of standard Main Page. This function could help not only with portal and its article of the month (etc.) propagation but also portal topic propagation itself across users. Portal is so called main page of its topic, in which are some users interested, isn't it? Of course it would be a function just for experienced users, which check it in the Settings/Beta and select their preferred portal there. Everybody else would see standard Main Page as usual. I don't know, how to code for MediaWiki, I'm just experienced web programmer and template editor on Czech Wikipedia (cswiki). Therefore I ask for your opinion and for your help and effort to make this idea happen.