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A kitten for you!

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Summary by Elitre (WMF)

A user was very kind to leave a cat pic here.

Jogi don (talkcontribs)

توهان جي لاءِ ٻليءَ جو پونگڙو، A Kitten for you

Jogi don (talk) 07:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Ferdi2005 (talkcontribs)

Ciao. Purtroppo con il mio inglese non riesco a comporre frasi molto complesse. Te lo spiego in Italiano: quando incollo una stringa di Wikitesto (vedi per esempio la stringa da copiare per le abilitazioni degli autoverificati su Wikipedia) me la trasforma in Stringa di Wikitesto>. Questa è una cosa che mi da molti problemi e mi fa perdere molto tempo, purtroppo. Quindi sono stato costretto a disattivare. È molto simile al caso che mi hai riportato a quanto vedo.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Una cosa che puoi fare al momento per aggirare la difficoltà è tenerti queste stringhe che copi e incolli in una sandbox o simile precedute dai tag nowiki (esempio). In questo modo il codice che andrai a ricopiare dalla modalità lettura non sarà sottoposto ad alcuna conversione.

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Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

''Please note'': I'll be '''out of office or with limited availability until mid January 2017'''. Please contact my team if you need any help. Thanks.

Waiting for VisualEditor to be enabled on Sdwiki

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Jogi don (talkcontribs)

Dear Elitre , Thanks for your intention of enabling VisualEditor on Sindhi Wikipedia, Dear Sir we are impatiently waiting for your initiative to enable VisualEditor on Sindhi Wikipedia (Sdwiki).. Expecting a positive and dignified role from you...Thanks and regards...

MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Rsmn (talkcontribs)

I translated the User Guide into Tamil language. Can it be linked to ? icon in the VE toolbar ? It is available at பயனர் கையேடு --Rsmn (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

You can see it in Tamil if you choose it as your language on this site. I asked at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145357 whether this may be fixed in a different way as well. Thanks!

Ningauble (talkcontribs)

Hi Elitre. Thank you for your assistance in creating the https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139442 ticket on behalf of the English Wikiquote. Unfortunately, it has been "declined" with the false assertion that I don't want it, and I wonder whether you could suggest any way to move this forward.

I am at a loss as to how I could have been more clear in stating that "references lists are completely deprecated", that "the feature is ill-suited to the way Wikiquote articles are laid out", and amplifying that "we definitely do not need prominent buttons or menu items labeled 'Cite' that have the effect of creating footnotes" (and on a collateral issue raised in discussion, that "we really do not need to have templates disabled" whenever we don't use footnotes). Perhaps I was less clear than I thought, or perhaps his comment in closing the ticket was only facetious way to get rid of it.

As liaison, could you recommend anyone in a position to advocate for the community who can help protect its interest in continuing to use the layout it has long preferred (and continuing to use citation templates in that layout)?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I thought that I had explained the confusion over the terminology at Phab:T139442#2695072.

The current state is this:

The English Wikiquote has hidden a single button related to the Extension:Cite in the 2006 wikitext editor (which almost nobody uses, except a small number of old hands). They have left it visible and functional in the 2010 wikitext editor (used by almost all editors who started editing since 2010, as well as most of the older accounts). And, of course, because of the nature of wikitext, anyone can edit the existing ones or type new <ref> tags manually, even if the buttons aren't there. Or even (as the product manager does) if you're using the original wikitext editor, which has no buttons or toolbar at all.

In the visual editor, the equivalent button is buried at the bottom of a long, collapsed menu. But – because of the nature of a visual editing system – in the visual editor, if the tools don't exist, you can't just type in the <ref> tags. If the tools aren't there, then you can't edit existing ones or add new ones.

The current request is this:

So the Phab ticket (unknowingly) proposes making it possible for users of the three wikitext editors to continue creating and editing unwanted <ref> tags, and for the users of the visual editor to be unable to do the the same thing.

The response is this:

The devs refuse to create this sort of "second-class status" for some users. If anyone can edit or create (functional) <ref> tags, then everyone should be able to do that. If it's possible to create and edit <ref> tags in the 97% of edits made with the wikitext editors at the English Wikiquote, then it should be possible to create and edit <ref> tags in the 3% of edits made with the visual editor at the English Wikiquote.

But the real (reported) problem is this: The English Wikiquote doesn't want anyone to use Extension:Cite. And the product manager is willing to turn off the whole thing, for everyone – wikitext *and* visual editors, on all pages, for the whole wiki. Turning it off will make people stop using it. You can keep citation templates (which are completely unrelated and under local community control). But if you want people to stop using <ref> tags – if you really want 100% of edits to stop creating functional <ref> tags, rather than just 3% of them – then we can kill that software for you in *all* the editing systems.

All we really need to do that is evidence of a community consensus. A discussion in which people say "We don't want any more of those little blue clicky numbers on our site" is perfectly adequate for this purpose.

Rogol Domedonfors (talkcontribs)

Sadly there are members of staff who even though they have a remit to "to help make sure the Editing department understand what the community wants and needs" occasionally indulge themselves is humorous remarks at the expense of volunteers by pretending to understand their comments in a way they were not intended and then giving mocking responses that deliberately miss the point in an attempt to be amusing. It's a form of humour that would be tiresome at the best of times, and certainly does not help to promote good relations between staff and volunteers. Occasionally the volunteers will be fortunate enough to attract the attention of a member of staff responsible for "representing these communities' voices in some of the WMF's decision-making processes" who will take the time to try and resolve the situation.

Savvyjack23 (talkcontribs)

Hi Elitre (WMF), I saw your recent post on the Meta:Babel discussion page and I am wondering who to contact in regards to renaming "Patois," (which isn't even the way Patois is spelling in "Jamaican Patois," it is "Patwa") to "Jumiekan Patwa."

"Patois" is far too generic, hence "Haitian Creole," (Kreyòl ayisyen) Scottish Gaelic," (Gàidhlig) etc.

This would really need to be changed. I would do it myself but I do not think I would be able, and quite frankly wouldn't know how to do so.

Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you.

:)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi @Savvyjack23, it's good to see your name again. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101086 has some information related to this. It might be a useful starting point for you.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Savvyjack23, did that help?

Savvyjack23 (talkcontribs)

Hi Elitre (WMF), sorry I haven't had a chance to look at it yet; I've been swamped as of late. Thank you for such a quick reply! I will take a deeper look into it later in the day and I will get back to you. Cheers! :)

VE doesn't runsn into wikisource Page

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Alex brollo (talkcontribs)

Grazie per l'annuncio del nuovo welcome, ma attenzione: noi vogliamo che i nuovi contributori editino nsPagina, e su nsPagina VE non funziona. Temo quindi che il messaggio di benvenuto crei solo confusione.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Indago un po' e ti faccio sapere cosa possiamo fare. Grazie per il reminder.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Non credo che si riceverà il messaggio nei namespace in cui non è comunque possibile switchare al visual editor. Domani comunque potremo testare la cosa su testwiki e nel caso chiarire prima che il messaggio arrivi su 'source. EDIT: il messaggio compare, ma non invita a switchare a VE - è un semplice benvenuto.

The Discoverer (talkcontribs)

Hello Erica, I've been doing a little translation of the VE interface into Konkani on TranslateWiki.net, and I recently edited the translation of 'Visual Editor'. I have also being trying out using VE in the Konkani Wikipedia (gomwiki). The tag for my edits still shows the old translation of 'Visual Editor'. Will it get updated automatically in time, or is there something that needs to be done? Similarly, many of the translations I've done on TranslateWiki for VE have not reflected on Wikipedia. Do you know why?

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi there. Yes, it takes a while for translations to go live. However, the message you're referring to hasn't been translated yet (it should be at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Tag-visualeditor/gom. It does exist in the translations for the Deva. script.). Thanks for everything you will do! May I recommend reading this page, where you may find more advice to "customize" well the visual editor experience to gomwiki. Talk to you soon!

The Discoverer (talkcontribs)

Hello, thanks for pointing me to the message that needs to be translated in order to update the tag. In fact, there are supposed to be no translations at TranslateWiki in gom and gom falls back to gom-deva. So there only have to be translations in gom-deva and gom-latn. So I've changed both the gom-deva and gom-latn messages for this tag and then we'll see them updated in gomwiki soon.