Talk:Edit Review Improvements/New filters for edit review

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Leave your thoughts and ideas here about the New Filters for Edit Review filtering tools and interface.

These are now standard on Recent Changes and the Watchlist. What works well? What could work better?

Leave feedback in any language.

How to provide feedback

  • do you have that bug when you are not logged-in?
  • explain how to reproduce the bug (step by step)
  • tell us what is your configuration (browser version, scripts you use...)
  • say on what page it is happening (Recent Changes, Watchlist...)

Also see the FAQ.

Accessibility concerns on mobile devices

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104.249.230.124 (talkcontribs)

Virtually unusable on a mobile device. Screen jumping all over the place.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Switching to the mobile interface will display the old display, without the filters. If you force purposefully the desktop view on mobile, you will get the filters, which are, indeed, not mobile compatible.

Equinox (talkcontribs)

That's not the whole story. I use desktop only (no interest in mobile) and, while the new watchlist has some cool features, it certainly does "jump all over the place" as OP describes. I may be trying to click on items in the history, and suddenly the whole thing leaps away from me as a large JavaScript panel loads into place. I might even hit Rollback by accident, which is embarrassing. Can't you pre-load an empty white space to prevent things from jumping? (BTW this is true in other places too, like the late-loading Citations tab on Wiktionary.) My computer is old and slow but I shouldn't be punished for that.

Kaartic (talkcontribs)

I wouldn't suppose the developers wanted to punish the people with old and slow computers. I would suppose they would have missed this use case (it's really hard to develop software that works out-of-the-box for everyone!) . It might be of help to them if you could provide more information about your configuration in which you face this issue: OS, browser (with versions). They might use it to see if they could do something about it.

A temporary solution would be to switch to the old interface if that worked well for you. You could do that via Special:Preferences.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

What do you mean by "jump all over the place"?

Equinox (talkcontribs)

I mean that the page loads, and then further additional things load (like extra tabs), and as those things appear, the page "reflows" (like adding words in the middle of a paragraph) so that things I am trying to click on might continue to move to new positions. It would be better if the page didn't appear at all until everything was in place -- since having things jump away from under the mouse pointer is very frustrating.

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Sugestion: ignore precise bot/people

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Eru (talkcontribs)

It might be useful to ignore a single bot (or more) and not all.

For example, MsnBot makes a lot of minor changes and my list is full of these changes, while they are not risky, so it's harder to track changes from other bots.

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The filtering tick boxes are confusing

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MichaelMaggs (talkcontribs)

In most software, a tick box either selects or deselects a particular option: simple. So you'd expect a group with no boxes ticked to be equivalent to selecting none of the options, and you tick one or more of them to add the options you want. In fact, no ticks seems to be the same all all-ticks: ticking a single box in an unticked group surprisingly and without notice deselects all the options other than the one selected.

Now it's true that this is documented half way down the long documentation page, but it should be clear on the face of the controls themselves.

Kaartic (talkcontribs)

I've also felt this behaviour a little odd.

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Zwiadowca21 (talkcontribs)

To wszystko działa za wolno. Zarówno wrzucanie zdjęć jak i przeglądanie zmian.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Sorry to use English.

What is the problem with the filters, precisely?

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Traveler100 (talkcontribs)

In the old UI was a simple tick box for edit types, like say bot edits. Could temporary switch off and rerun list. How does that work now?

Traveler100 (talkcontribs)

Well starting to get it but works opposite to what was thinking. Need to filter on what you want to see not filter out what you do not want to see.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That's exactly it: you ask the filters to display what you want to get.

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Summary last edited by Clump 01:07, 21 October 2018 22 days ago

The old system has become accessible so I'm satisfied. Sorry to see some idiot uses this board for posting graffitti ~~~~

Cnbrb (talkcontribs)

Gave the new watchlist a go for a few days, couldn't use it, got rid of it. Sorry guys, it's terrible - the old system wasn't broken, so don't fix it. ~~~~

Martin Urbanec (talkcontribs)

There's "Hide the improved version of the Watchlist" in your preferences (in Watchlist section). But better than just opting out would be to tell us what is actually wrong. We do not only fix broken things, but also develop new things, having new functions, allowing more things, to make editing and patrolling and everything else more easy. It is kinda hard to do when we do not know what we should do. Please write something we can learn from, not only "please do not deploy this" or "revert the deployment". Thanks.

Cnbrb (talkcontribs)

I understand what you're saying, but it was just so unusable I switched it off. I can't now remember the detail, but the whole thing was confusing and took up unnecessary screen space. Sorry, but the old watchlist is fine - the best thing you can learn from this is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Sorry you had a bad experience. Fortunately, you have that option to get the old watchlist back.

Also don't forget ont thing: it may not be broken for you but it may be broken for others. That's the case for new users, who have a complicated experience using that old watchlist. That's also the case for some advanced features, that needed a new presentation to work well.

Activist (talkcontribs)

When I accepted the update, I discovered that I no longer had a watchlist. I've got over 100 articles watchlisted, but they all seem to have gone away. I need to restore the old system.

Off topic, but I also have been getting Wikipedia articles with no header. I can't log in, can't see the page in previous format (i.e., with file images, and better formed descriptions of the articles by sections), etc. Anyone know what's up?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Activist, have you activated some gadgets and scripts on your account? Is your browser up-to-date?

Activist (talkcontribs)

I use two browsers. Both are up-to-date. I think Twinkle is the only activation. Thanks for your reply. ~~~~

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Activist, if you haven't roll-backed the new filters, do you have access to your watchlist when clicking on that link? Do you have access to RecentChanges?

You can any time turn off the filters and get the new interface back. Go to the "Hide the improved version of the Watchlist" option in your Watchlist preferences.

Thinker78 (talkcontribs)

Cnbrb, did you even give it a good try to learn how to use it? Because I think it is great.

Filter for protected on at least one project

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)
Bovlb (talkcontribs)

I have formed the impression that we get a flood of vandalism on Wikidata after the corresponding page is protected on another project, e.g. footballers protected on the Spanish Wikipedia during the World Cup.

This is a case of poor communication between projects that lets vandalism continue after it has already been detected and "dealt with". This wastes volunteer time unnecessarily.

Could we please have a filter for pages protected on at least one project? Ideally that would be "recently protected".

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

This is something that should be measured, but I understand your feeling.

According to the lead engineer, the filter you suggest is very complicated to create. It is Wikidata specific, but is also querying logs on multiple wikis for a given Wikidata item, which requires ressources.

I've documented the case to keep it in mind.

Bovlb (talkcontribs)

Thanks. I don't feel it is necessarily Wikidata-specific, in that it might be helpful for a RC Patroller on the Portuguese Wikipedia to know that the English Wikipedia recently protected, say, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ramos_(umpire) .

Regarding complexity, it would still be a useful feature, even if results were only aggregated every five minutes.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the precision, I've updated the task accordingly.

Нежданный (talkcontribs)

Τα καλύτερα εργαλεία φιλτραρίσματος .Είναι εξαιρετικά και κυρίως εύχρηστα !!!

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

σας ευχαριστώ!

Нежданный (talkcontribs)

Παρακαλώ !!! Να είστε πάντα καλά.

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YanikB (talkcontribs)

There is no tag for AWB on WP:fr. Why ?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
YanikB (talkcontribs)

@Trizek (WMF): Dans la liste de suivi sur WP:en il est possible de filtrer la balise AWB mais elle n'est pas sur WP:fr.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Il faut créer un tag localement, via un filtre.

YanikB (talkcontribs)

Je ne comprends pas, je n'ai pas besoin de créer le tag via un filtre sur WP:en il est dans la liste des tags comme la balise WPCleaner sur WP:fr.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
YanikB (talkcontribs)

À qui faut-il demander de l'ajouter sur WP:fr ?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Les admins, il me semble.

YanikB (talkcontribs)
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How to include subcategories?

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)
Thinker78 (talkcontribs)

I was using the "Related changes" watchlist but the changes shown are just related to the parent category and not those of its subcategories. Is there a way to include all the subcategories? If not, I request that be a feature. I use this watchlist to see changes pertaining to WikiProject Central America, so it would be great if I can see the changes of the parent category and all its subcategories.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It is not possible for now to search in sub-categories. There are multiple questions to solve that were too complicated, both technically (display pages from sub-categories would, in certain cases, display thousand of pages) and in term of classification (some categories groupe topics that are too different to be a relevant result).

Providing categories to Recent Changes, Related Changes and Watchlist is already documented. The current need is to have time and ressources to implement it; that feature could be suggested to the Community Wishlist survey for instance.

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