Talk:Edit Review Improvements/New filters for edit review

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Leave your thoughts and ideas here about the New Filters for Edit Review filtering tools and interface.

These are now standard on Recent Changes and the Watchlist. What works well? What could work better?

Leave feedback in any language.

Development status

New filters for edit review are in maintenance mode. Major bugs will be fixed but no improvements are scheduled for now.

How to provide feedback

  • do you have that bug when you are not logged-in?
  • explain how to reproduce the bug (step by step)
  • tell us what is your configuration (browser version, scripts you use...)
  • say on what page it is happening (Recent Changes, Watchlist...)

Also see the FAQ.

Tuvalkin (talkcontribs)

I come accross this thing first time just now at pt.wp, where I’m less active than in Commons (where it is not yet deployed). So I applied a few filters, and then tried to find an "OK" or "submit" button. Turns out there’s none — filter implementations happen on the fly.

This was a feature of the old Special:Watchlist which was changed a few years ago, with the addition of the "show" button, in the box labelled "Watchlist options". Back then a user sort of complained, saying he liked to tick the checkboxes on and off and get immediate results and now, oy vey!, an extra click is needed. This user was severely mocked and shown xkcd 1172 and yet here we are again, back to the old UI paradigm, with changes applied on the fly. (Of course the new UI’s elements are now very huge because reasons.)

MJL (talkcontribs)

@Tuvalkin Do you want to say that again in Portuguese or can you link to these conversations? I'm a bit confused. My apologies.

Tuvalkin (talkcontribs)

@MJL: What would you do with a Portuguese text? Your user page states you are only fluent in English…

As for a link to a discussion in Commons I vaguely remember from 3 years ago or so, sorry, it’s unlikely I can remember enough of it to allow a successful search.

I only meant to emphasize the way UI principles keep changing, in this case a whole 360°, and yet every time someone complains those principles are refered to by devs as abolutely enlightened and set in stone.

MJL (talkcontribs)

@Tuvalkin I meant that users who actually do speak it could be assistance.


Ah, gotcha, my apologies for misunderstanding.

Tuvalkin (talkcontribs)

Se o meu inglês não te serve, MJL, vai aviar-te a outra loja, que esta agora já fechou.

MJL (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'm reacting to the "where it is not yet deployed": the filters are default on all wikis since almost one year. Maybe you've opted the filters out on Commons.

Check on your preferences on the wikis you are active on:

You will get the buttons back.

Reply to "Messed up"

Unseen changes highlight is buggy

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)
Ita140188 (talkcontribs)

I have had problems with the highlight of unseen changes (blue dot and bold font in watchlist) since the new watchlist was introduced, and it is getting worse recently. There are two kinds of problems:

- Articles would still show as unseen even though I already opened it, or even edited it.

- If there are new edits to a page I have seen earlier, all the previous edits (of the previous days, for example) become "unseen".

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There is a bug on that feature. It has been detailed on the last issue of Tech News:

  • Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. The developers are working on solving the problem. [1]
Ita140188 (talkcontribs)

I am still experiencing this problem. The tool was working mostly fine for the last couple of months until today.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Do you still exactly have the issues you've described before?

Ita140188 (talkcontribs)

Hi, sorry for late reply. Yes, I still have the exact same issues. They appear less often, but they are still there.

Reply to "Unseen changes highlight is buggy"
TomSmithNP (talkcontribs)

I think this tool is a great one! ~~~~

Shisma (talkcontribs)

Is there a way to see only pages that have been deleted?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Filter for page deletions?"

Need new filter to watch all pages and talk pages under a given URL prefix

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Nealmcb (talkcontribs)

As a facilitator of elections, in which there is a sudden rapid infusion of new pages and edits under e.g. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/, I need a filter to monitor ALL changes under a prefix like that. Thus new nominations, endorsements of nominations, discussions of procedures and candidates are all things that I want quick and easy notification of. Thank you!

Bluerasberry (talkcontribs)

+1 good for wiki elections

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The only way to do this now would be to have a dedicated namespace for elections.

Filtering categories is not covered and not scheduled for development.

Nealmcb (talkcontribs)

It sounds like someone has an approach that works. Tell us more, @Bluerasberry.

Also, perhaps it can be done via a bot now?

But I'm not sure what you mean about filtering categories. I'm looking for prefixes.

Thanks.

Bluerasberry (talkcontribs)

@Nealmcb I asked someone else and they showed me how to do this. I will demo it at the next meeting.

Reply to "Need new filter to watch all pages and talk pages under a given URL prefix"

What are the default filters? Or is default to show all contributions? If so, many editors will give up on using their watchlist

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Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

What are the default filters? Or is default to show all contributions (no active filters)? I see no "default" button for a pre-selected list of active filters chosen by the wiki admins. If default is to show all contributions, then I believe many editors will stop using their watchlist very much, if at all.

Anyone with a lot of categories on their watchlist may give up as I almost did before someone selected some filters for me. See my other thread. The filters are baffling, even to longtime editors. The "all contributions" watchlist shows all the many files added and removed from those watchlisted categories. That makes the watchlist very long and almost useless. One can't find the important stuff buried among the files being added and removed.

A pre-selected fallback list of active filters might keep many editors from abandoning their watchlist over time. There needs to be a filter to show all revisions, except for revisions for talk pages. The filter should set talk pages to latest revision. Otherwise the same active talk pages will show up on every day of the watchlist. I like seeing all revisions (for most things), but had to turn it off due to talk pages filling up my watchlist.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Default filters are the ones people got when they opened the watchlist the first time on the old configuration. You see all contributions.

You can redefined default filters by clearing all of them (trash bin icon), which will give you access to the "restaure default filters". It is possible to define a different set of filters for your wiki, after a community consensus.

You can personally set your favorite set of filters, by saving a preset and defining by default.

You can exclude some namespaces, for instance talk pages (click on "namespace", then select one or multiple namespaces, then click on "excluding namespaces"). That selection can be saved for you as well, so that you can switch to it anytime.

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

I have been talking about the Commons watchlist. I suggest that "Restore default filters" be supplemented and improved with 2 options that are always visible:

  • "Restore my saved default filters".
  • "Restore the Commons default filters".

What do you mean by "old configuration"? Are you talking about checking the box for the setting, "Hide the improved version of the watchlist":

I don't want to totally exclude the talk pages on the Commons from my watchlist. I only want to see the last revision of talk pages.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Default Commons filters are the ones you get when you access your watchlist the first time, if you haven't changed them. If you wish to define another set of filters as default, you can save them as "Commons default filters". Then you can switch between "Restore my saved default filters" and "Commons default filters".

By old configuration, I mean the one you get by selecting "Hide the improved version of the watchlist" on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist.

To get the last revision of talk pages exclusively, you combine two filters: the one for talk pages and the one for "latest revision". You can go further and filter multiple kind of talk pages, differentiating them using highlights (here yellow for Talk: and green for File talk:).

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

Thanks. I saved the first-time watchlist filters.

Both of the talk page filter combinations ended up with empty watchlists. I looked back 14 days too. So they are not allowing talk pages at all on the watchlist.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Empty results mean that there is no changes on talk pages you watch for those combinations. I don't have changes on my volunteer's account watchlist either.

You can test those combinations on RecentChanges to be sure they're working. Just change "Watchlist" by "RecentChanges" in the URL:

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

OK. Some talk pages on my watchlist are Commons talk, template talk, category talk.

Are there any generic talk filters?

Kaartic (talkcontribs)

> Are there any generic talk filters?

I suppose there isn't a direct Generic talk filter. But, I think you could use the "Exclude selected" option and do some magic with it. For example the linked set of filters would show you all the RecentChanges to the talk pages in en.wikipedia. That's done by excluding all the corresponding article namespaces.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Timeshifter, you're looking for a global filter for all talk pages?

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)

Yes, I am looking for a way to see all talk pages changes in my watchlist. But I only want to see the latest revisions for talk pages.

Timeshifter (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That would be visible through time.

Kipala (talkcontribs)

How do I get rid of this? And why is it on my page? Did I agree???

There is a setting which is lousy, does not show my contributions any more. When I take off the shown choices (whatsoever these mean) I can see my own edits but also see all the database edits which I do not want to see.I recognize no way of saving a choice - and it is not clear if the filter filters in or out. So take that thing away! ~~~~

Reply to "What are the default filters? Or is default to show all contributions? If so, many editors will give up on using their watchlist"
183.82.125.194 (talkcontribs)
MJL (talkcontribs)

That isn't your sandbox..?

Reply to "REMOVE SANDBOX SYSTEM"
Captainllama (talkcontribs)

It's a shame that the box for configuring the edit filters covers the user's watchlist. It means that, despite the changes taking effect in real time, the user cannot see the effect that their changes are having. I would like for the edit filter box to be a detachable panel, or a new window, or for there to be some other way that the user can actually see the result of what they are doing, without having to close and open the box repeatedly.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Which box are you referring to? Can you share a screenshot?

Captainllama (talkcontribs)

Yes, this box. You can see fragments of my obscured watchlist to the right of the edit box.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The box is not supposed to remain open if you've closed it.

What happen when you click outside of this box? Any click outside is supposed to close it; press Esc works too.

I can't reproduce the issue, so I suspect an issue with one of your scripts/gadgets. Do you still have the issue when you access the watchlist with this special link? If no, please follow the instructions about broken scripts and report here.


Reply to "Detachable panel"

User registration and experience section

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Bikerbudmatt (talkcontribs)

I'd like to have some control of the range for the "experience" levels. I'm an experienced editor creating a standalone wiki. It's not helpful to have the "only" 160+ contributions I've made so far to be lumped in with my users who are working with a wiki for the first time. Even less helpful to think that the arbitrary number of 500 is what I need to attain to bump me into the "experienced" level.

Either allow these categories to exclude administrators by option, or allow administrators to adjust the scoring ranges in a way that gives them a useful filter.

Thanks! ~~~~

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

So the goal would be to have a way to :

  • define new experience thresholds (like user that have more than 50 edits but less than 200)
  • filter users by status

Am I right?

Reply to "User registration and experience section"
Shyamal (talkcontribs)

Sorry but I am not able to find an intuitive way to suppress edits by bots. Perhaps there is a help page that the filters UI can link to.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

In "Automated contributions", choose "Human (not bot)".

Reply to "How do I hide edits by bots?"