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The Collaboration team has enabled Flow on this talk page (documentation).

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Flow boards were down due to a database problem

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Summary by Daylen

This was a result of the Wikipedia Foundation's server switch 2017, and should be fixed now.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Just a note for anyone who's curious about what happened: during the m:Tech/Server switch 2017 work, a problem temporarily prevented edits to Flow boards. Everything should be fine again, but if it's not, then please {{ping}} me.

Built in machine translation

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Summary by Daylen

This has been previously suggested; however, there are no near-term plans to implement it.

Daylen (talkcontribs)

Any plans to automatically show translated text for the language that the user has set as their preference?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That feature request has been suggested before, and is tracked at Phab:T98728. However there are no near-term plans to implement it. Thanks for sharing the idea, though.

Making VisualEditor Default Inside Flow

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TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

How do you make visual editor default inside Flow instead if wikieditor.

I have VE set as default on main namespace but I still get wikiteditor as default in flow talk pages.

Spas.Z.Spasov (talkcontribs)

Just switch to VE, create a new topic or a reply and next time it will be the default editor.

Alsee (talkcontribs)

To be more specific:

  • I'm virtually certain that the initial default is VE.
  • After that, Flow remembers and defaults back to whatever editing mode you used(*) last time.

(*) In order to "use" a mode you need to make some sort of change in that mode, and click save. Typing in wikitext mode, switching to visual, and saving with no new changes, would count as wikitext mode.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@TitusiMW, you mean in a Wikimedia wiki, or in a third-party wiki?

In a Wikimedia wiki, you have to switch to visual editing mode and the wiki remembers this choice. In another configuration, it may be different.

Paulgina911 (talkcontribs)

That's true

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Flow does not use Userpage: but Topic: as basis

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QZanden (talkcontribs)

For some magic words the Flow doesn't seem to work. Take a look at d:User talk:Queryzo, where he was welcomed with an admin-template that uses {{BASEPAGENAME}} or something like that. Is there already a task filed in phabricator for this issue?

QZanden (talkcontribs)

I could not find one, so I created one. See phab:T166612.

If you change your username, the function won't be activated again automaticly.

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2ephaniah (talkcontribs)

After I change my username, I find it's back to classic mode, but the parameter in preference is still selected. After I cancel it, save it, and select it again, it works. Maybe it's a bug, please fix it.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

In theory, this bug has been fixed in March. Your Flow board was supposed to be moved when your account has been renamed.

I see you have re-activated Flow on your user talk page on zh.wp, but it is apparently a new page. Didn't you have another one, attached to your previous account?

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Blinking of the date/few seconds ago

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Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Hello,

When a message has just been posted, and shows "few seconds ago" (I'm guessing the translation), when the cursor is over it, it shows the real date/time. But because this message has not the same size, it keeps blinking/flashing between both if the cursor is too much on the left.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi

I can't reproduise it. Do you have a page when it happen?

Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Hi Trizek,

For more explanations, in French, the post shows the chain : "il y a quelques secondes" wich is longer than : "a few seconds ago".

- When the cursor is over the first words, on the left of the chain, (like "il y a..."), it shows the real time.

- But, because the date shown is shorter than the text, the cursor is now out of the "over area", and because the cursor is not over the date, it shows back the text "il y a quelques secondes".

- Now the cursor is again over the text, so it shows the date, and repeat ...

If I changed my settings to english, it doesn't happen anymore, have you tried with different settings ?

If needed I can try to figure out how to make a video capture of my screen.

Thanks !

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I should have precised that I've tried to reproduce this bug using French. :) I tried on a group of random dates, not specifically on the "il y a quelques secondes" case, though. Désolé.

I cas see this bug, reported. This bug is not a blocker so it will very probably triaged as "Lowest" priority, and it may possibly be declined if the interface is reviewed.

Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Allright, thank you for reporting it. I totally understand it is not a priority, but I could not have left a bug without notifying it !

Thanks.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Très bonne attitude. :)

Activation cleared off my previous Discussions

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)

Previous discussions are archived on a sub-page, as indicated in the message when you activate the Beta feature and in the documentation. This message should be rewritten.

Yahia.Mokhtar (talkcontribs)

By activating "Flow", I lost all my previous discussions and was unable to track open discussions, so I had to deactivate it, and *luckily* my old page returned.

Suggestion: to let the previous (running) discussions be copied once "Flow" is activated.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Previous discussions are archived and a link is created on the Flow board description (right side on LTR wikis). Was it the case? On which wiki have you enabled Flow?

Copying existing discussions is very, very complicated to do: it require to parse an entire unstructured wiki page and find every element. It is quite trivial for titles, bot not when you have to attribute authors to every sentence, when big differences about indenting or signing exist across the wikis. When I've requested the conversion of my volunteer user talk page to Flow, I've did it when I had a few ongoing discussions. Other users where also redirected to the archive when they had notifications of new messages on old conversations on their watchlist.

Yahia.Mokhtar (talkcontribs)

Well, I acknowledge the difficulty of parsing the page, however, at least let the new page start with a link to the previous 'discussion' page so the user could at least have a starting point and may decide whether to copy it manually to the new page or no. Thanks.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There is a link, as I've said. :)

"Previous discussions are archived and a link is created on the Flow board description (right side on LTR wikis). Was it the case? On which wiki have you enabled Flow?"

Yahia.Mokhtar (talkcontribs)

It was in Arabic Wikipedia. I realized the link later, or maybe after I ticked off the editor. :o)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Trizek, is there something we could do to make documentation clearer about that? Maybe an extra sentence in the Beta Feature description?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That's already the case, Sherry:

Enables a new structured discussion system on your user talk page. Flow simplifies talk page discussions with clear places to write and reply, and allows conversation-level notifications. Existing wikitext discussions are moved to an archive. This feature is not auto-enabled; users will have to enable it separately. Disabling this feature will move the Flow board to a subpage and un-archive the previous talkpage.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Based on the comments here, I wonder if we should consider making that sentence bigger/bolder/more obvious.

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TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

I posted this before at extension_talk:flow. Is this better place, instead?

I have a MW1.27 installation. Math renders fine on main article :

https://docs2.kogence.com/docs/TestPage

But it does not render in Flow pages :

https://docs2.kogence.com/docs/Talk:TestPage

I have another identically setup MW1.28 and math renders just fine inside Flow boards.

https://docs.kogence.com/docs/Talk:Test_page_1

Thanks in advance for any help/pointers.

Alsee (talkcontribs)

I know almost squat about setting up an installation, but I'll offer a quick pointer that might(?) be enough for you to fix it. If not, I'm sure someone else will jump in with a better answer.

Flow doesn't use the normal (article page) rendering engine. It uses the Visual Editor system, and the engine behind it, Parsoid. Somewhere in the available install-components there is probably some math package explicitly connected to either Visual Editor or Parsoid. I'd expect that finding and installing it should fix the problem.

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Load an entire board at once?

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Summary by Trizek (WMF)
Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Is there a URL trick I can use to load all contents at a given board at once (or maybe even specify, "all threads edited in the last month", or "all threads created in 2017")?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

No, sorry.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Then... I could request it?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It is already documented on advanced filtering options.

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Where is a list of proposed features? (Reputation display feature)

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Shanen (talkcontribs)

So far this is quite confusing, but I was referred here in relation to a suggestion I offered about a reputation-display feature. One of the features I would like would be background search support. In this case, as soon as I wrote the Subject it would show me candidate threads or comments that I might want to read or even help me add my comment in the proper place.

The feature I was suggesting would be to accumulate a person's reputation based on reactions to the things that the person wrote. I think there should be multiple orthogonal dimensions, with a bias in favor of positive participation. The accumulated reputation could be displayed in a small radar diagram. One way to do it would be to have two icons, the person's own avatar (linked to their self-generated profile) and a small radar icon (linked to a larger and detailed radar diagram and history of reactions). The dimensions should also allow for negative values, such as dimensions for interesting versus boring, polite versus rude, and happy versus sad. The positive-bias can be done by making it easier to give favorable mods. For example, if there is a dimension for consistent versus inconsistent, then you could just click "consistent" (because you think you remember this person saying similar things in the past), but if you want to click "inconsistent" then you'd need to reference a conflicting comment from that person.

As a user of this feature, I'd be able to filter out people who I don't want to see, so mostly this is a way to save time. However, it would also give me a relatively stable and objective snapshot of what sort of person I'm thinking about responding to. I'd prefer to tweak my setting so that it is easier for me to communicate with thoughtful and interesting people (and I would prefer to never see the trolls (based on negative politeness and negative sincerity) or waste any time on them).

197.218.83.176 (talkcontribs)

You can see a list of proposed features (and software issues) here :https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/Q7it2z4CfBNR/#R

That being said, an arbitrary ranking of individuals is not likely to ever be implemented because it would be too prone to abuse, gaming, and some wikis won't likely want such social network features (karma like features).

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi Shanen

Your suggestion is not related to Flow. Plus having a way to rank people is not really compatible with the idea of inclusiveness the Wikimedia Foundation tries to promote. Such a tool can be used for wrong purposes. Imagine if someone considers every newcomer's contribution as negative?

Shanen (talkcontribs)

Tracking the behavior of the person who gives too many negative evaluations would justify discounting that person's evaluations. If you don't like to think of it that way, think of it as a way to normalize behaviors on an individual basis. Perhaps a criticism is justified, but I'm going to take it more seriously depending on who it comes from.

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