Talk:Structured Discussions

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Structured discussions (Flow) is used on this page (documentation).

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Сунприат (talkcontribs)

If any bot will correct templates in old messages - date of the message will change too? Can Flow-bots not change date of the message?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Ah, good point. (Also bot-edits would bump the "recent activity" for no reason). Filed as phab:T94711 - If you have any examples in mind, please add them there by editing the description. Thanks!

Neolexx (talkcontribs)
Jamesjames281 (talkcontribs)
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Kim0051 (talkcontribs)

다국어 테스트중입니다.

test multi-lingual.


How can I delete this comment?

Kim0051 (talkcontribs)

No way delete this commnet

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

You can delete a comment if you are a sysop/admin.

Alsee (talkcontribs)

If you hover your mouse over the ... icon you can "hide" a comment or a thread. However that only partially removes the content. The content is replaced with a conspicuous click-to-view link.

If you're on mobile or you otherwise lack a desktop mouse, I'm not sure if the ... options are accessible.

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Aabbccddeeffabcdef (talkcontribs)

Hello,

For the beginning, if possible, answer in French.

In the discussion with this gadget, the red links, if don't created before the message, stay red. And, in the description, if you include model, at a edit of the model, it stay in the version of the publication of description.

Thank you.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Bonjour

Quel gadget ?

Concernant les modèles dans la description, il y a effectivement un temps de mise en place plus long. Une modification sur un détail dans la description, autre que sur le modèle, permet de mettre à jour le modèle.

Aabbccddeeffabcdef (talkcontribs)

Bonjour @Trizek (WMF),

Dans ma pdd, par exemple, j'ai un modèle pour le menu. À chaque fois que je modifie le modèle, je suis obligé de supprimer le modèle sur la pdd, enregistrer, le remettre, et enregistrer, sinon cela ne marche pas.

Merci.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Bonjour

C'est le souci que je décris également. Sans aller jusqu'à enregistrer, un couper/coller marche assez souvent.

Il n'y a pas de correctif de prévu pour le moment, car le futur des outils de discussion va bientôt être décidé.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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searching for possible past discussions

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Roy17 (talkcontribs)

Is it possible? When I want to initiate a discussion, I'd try checking if the topic has been discussed before. How can I search by keywords within a specific SD? Similar to how one would do with the old-fashioned search in archives?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

At the moment, it is not posible to search for specific discussions or archives. You can search on topics that exists, on a given page (« browse topics » under the page title).

We have open a global consultation about talk pages, where you can express your needs. Plus we look for volunteers to ask those questions on all wikis Maybe you could help for zh-yue? :)


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Myrtonos (talkcontribs)

I recall seeing a page on meta listing (current) disadvantages of Flow but I can't find it.

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Myrtonos (talkcontribs)

It seems like a good idea for this extension to include provision to allow only users with appropriate permissions to edit other users' comments.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That's the case.

I don't remember the specifics, but admins can edit others' comments. IP can't.

Can you edit my message?


Yes I can. --~~~

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

You're autoconfirmed. It may be the threshold to have the rights to edit my message.

Myrtonos (talkcontribs)

I hope that can be changed.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

What would be your suggestion?

Myrtonos (talkcontribs)

Maybe the same users that get to edit protected pages and system messages.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Be able to edit others' message is possible on unstructured wikitext talk pages. At least here, IP and not auto-confirmed users are prevented to edit.

For now, Structured Discussions are in maintenance mode. There is no strong development scheduled.

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Leaderboard (talkcontribs)

Can someone enlighten me to why there are two mechanisms of deletion: hide and delete?
As an admin, I find it very confusing when someone hides a post; it seems like it is deleted but can be retrieved by any user and unhidden. I've often seen users hiding posts (mistakely or otherwise) - surely that's not intended?

The FAQ page mentions that hide is supposed to emulate the undo function, but doing that is more prompted and quickly revertible. Also, for us admins, hide and undo are the same thing.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hide is accessible to any logged-in user. It allows people to hide comments that are not welcomed or offensive.

Delete allows admin to delete the post, like for an article. There is also a Suppress link, only for oversights.

Leaderboard (talkcontribs)

Why is the option to hide comments given to all users? Shouldn't that be restricted to admins (or at least rollbackers)? P.S: All users (even anons) can hide flow posts.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I can't remember the reason why, but I can ask. It is something that may be reconsidered with good reasons.

ChristianKl (talkcontribs)

It's normal in Wikipedia that in discussion pages every user can hide comments by other users. To the extend that's the intent of Structured Discussion to replace the status quo it makes sense to allow the existing behavior. (But you might put an option into Structured Discussion for the person who installs the plugin to set the rights and deactivate the feature when they don't like it)

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Replying to the last comment creates a new thread

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Micru (talkcontribs)

When I reply to the last comment in a section, a new thread is started instead of adding a sub-comment. Maybe there is a way to do it, but I don't know how.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Sorry for the late reply.

Do you have this when logged-out? On which wiki do you experiment that?

What steps do you make?

Micru (talkcontribs)

I experience this in any wiki, for instance now, instead of created a nested comment when replying to your comment, it creates a comment on the same level.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Your reply is not a new thread. It is a reply. Like it is a reply on a lot of other websites.

Replies are not nested like they are on wiki when using wikitext. It helps readability by having all replies at the same level. Some people like that system, some others don't.

A consultation around talk pages will happen in a few weeks. It would be the best place to share what you like or dislike concerning the different discussion systems that exist or would exist.

Micru (talkcontribs)

The way I see it is different. Inside each thread there can be many sub-threads, when I reply to a the last sub-thread, the reply should be nested, as it happens when I reply to a sub-thread that is not the last one. If I want to start a different sub-thread, that should be optional, not the default. Otherwise the meaning is lost when other people reply to comments that happened before the last one, and then there is no way of knowing to who the last person was replying to.


Looking forward to the consultation!

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Auto following the talk page after creating the main page?

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96.255.45.49 (talkcontribs)

I can't seem to find this information available on any of the help pages, just that you can follow individual topics.

If a user creates a page, do they automatically follow all structured disccusion topics created afterwards or do they have to regularly check the talk page to see if someone has created a topic?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Anyone with an account can monitor:

  • the whole page - you get a notification for every topic created (not replies)
  • a topic - you get a notification for every reply in that particular topic

The documentation you were looking after is here. :)

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Cleaning up the mess left behind from the failed LQT and Flow experiments

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Summary last edited by Leaderboard 14:10, 9 January 2019 2 months ago

gone stale

The Quixotic Potato (talkcontribs)

The WMF should focus on cleaning up the mess left behind from the failed LQT and Flow experiments before it starts yet another experiment that is doomed to fail under the new name "Structured Discussions".

77.161.58.217 (talkcontribs)

No reply whatsoever?

Moonian (talkcontribs)

They never admit this project is a failure, why would they reply?

Pppery (talkcontribs)

Aren't Flow and Structured Discussions two names for the same thing?