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More than 2,000 Notifications, will start to be removed

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs) - This update adds a script to delete any Notifications that are older than the most recent 2,000.

Up until now, they were stored indefinitely, meaning that some users have many thousands of read Notifications adding up in the database. 2,000 was chosen, because it is the number of Notifications that the "mark all as read" button effects.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Ricordisamoa (talkcontribs)

What if I want to preserve important notifications and delete the newest instead?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

For indefinite preservation, I think the best option would probably be to enable the "email" preference for whichever notification types you want to keep records for.

Is there a particular type(s) of notifications that you're thinking of? Giving a few examples almost always helps. :)

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

I would have thought the number of users with > 2000 edits would be small. If you ware worried about database size, maybe deleted some of those millions of "users" who have never edited or been welcomed.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

This change was just regarding number of echo notifications, not edits.

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

Yes, that's not what I meant.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

How can one determine how many notifications one has?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Ottawahitech, what do you mean? You want to know how many notifications someone has?

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)


Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Ah, English language. :) Thank you Rich.

Ottawahitech, why do you need to know how many notification someone has? It is some private information.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

I want to know how many notifications I have at enwiki where I am indefinitely blocked since 2017 (I think), after almost ten years of contributions. I have not been able to participate (even my talk-page access has been removed), so there is no way for me to do things like thank people, etc.

I am still hoping that my indef block will be lifted someday, and I would like to keep my notifications at least until such time.

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

He wants to know how many notifications he has.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

Not on en:Wikipedia, as far as I can see.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I see 52 for me: click on the arrows close to "1-50" to see the total.

This is not optimal, but we never had any feedback about displaying the total.

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

Looks like some of my notifications have already been deleted then? Can they be recovered?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

No. They are removed from the database.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

I have no idea where to look for "arrows" and where "1-50" is supposed to be. I suspect this may look different to someone using a different platform. For example, is this viewable to someone using a [[w:mobile]], or someone using a [[w:linux]] system?

BTW, I pretty much gave up on anyone responding to my questions here on mediawiki. [[User:Quidity]] was always pretty prompt, but I think he is no longer involved?

Another BTW, since FLOW is being tested here: where can I provide feedback to the FLOW developers?

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

AH.. so after 39 clicks I see that I have 1996 notifications... I would really rather they not be deleted, it seems contrary to the spirit of the WIki to loose history like this. By this principle we would delete page history over 2000, or maybe decide we could manage with the 2000 most important articles! :)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Is it possible to compare Notifications to Article history? I don't think it is.

Article history are a fundamental feature for the wikis: without them we wouldn't have the reliability we have.

Notifications are just tokens you immediately take action from. Did you had once to find something on the 1996 notifications you've received since 2013, apart from the 20 most recent ones? It is a real question, not some cynical rhetoric wording. :)

Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

Yes, in particular the number of thanks for fixing up reference names is an important metric. Keeping thanks is also important for understanding social issues. Having a list of mentions is useful if you can't find a discussion you were pinged in.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Rich Farmbrough (talkcontribs)

I would have thought the number of users with > 2000 edits would be small. The number with > 2,000 echoes smaller still.

Rich Farmbrough 02:15, 7 May 2016 (UTC).

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Being notified of new links to a page that I did not create

Summary by Evolution and evolvability

Request already exists at phab:T66090

Evolution and evolvability (talkcontribs)

Hello. In the Notification/Alert tabs preferences, I can opt to be notified for page links to articles that I created.

Is there a way to add pages that I did not create to that list?

There are several pages that I'd love to monitor when a new article links to (e.g. whenever a new page links to Catalytic triad). I assume there must be the equivalent of a list somewhere behind the scenes. Any ideas?

Cross-post from Topic:Uu1p02wu6yz81608

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hey. Sadly not. That's one of the many items in the list at Notifications#Suggested new notification types - specifically phab:T66090 ("Allow "article-linked" notifications for pages in a user defined list"). We have too many good ideas, and not enough programmers!

I'm not sure how the existing feature works technically. That might be a good questions to ask in the phab task, because the answer might give a volunteer/newcomer dev the hint & inspiration they need to tackle it? (I want that feature, too! And a thousand others...). Cheers.

Evolution and evolvability (talkcontribs)

Thanks! It's good to know that it's in phab at least so that it's on file as a possibly useful feature some day.

Configuring default welcome message

4 (talkcontribs)

Is it possible to configure the default welcome message Echo gives you? Currently it always says "Welcome to {{{SITENAME}}}, ‪{{{NAME}}}! We're glad you're here." I'd like to be able to change it to include a link to the rules and the f.a.q. The ideal way to do this would probably be to use something like Extension:HAWelcome or Extension:NewUserMessage but since I'm using Structured Discussions/Flow neither of those work.

I've been trying to find the PHP file that generates the message to edit it directly, but no luck yet

Xaosflux (talkcontribs)

You should be able to localize that in MediaWiki:Notification-header-welcome (talkcontribs)

I'll test that out! Thanks for the reply. (talkcontribs)

It worked, thank you!! Maybe this should be mentioned on Extension:Echo because it seems like it's something people would want to configure and I'm not seeing it there.

Pxos (talkcontribs)

The user rights are in English, at least on Finnish Wikipedia. They should be in the local language in messages like "X has changed your user rights. You are now member of the group: rollbacker."

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Enabling Notification For All Changes

Jabowery (talkcontribs)

I've googled "all changes" "any changes", "all modifications", etc. in the context of Mediawiki notifications and come up with nothing -- not even perennial requests -- for my use case:

There is an old wiki that is not undergoing much of any activity that I'm trying to revive in the manner of a wiki project or wiki task force and one of the best ways to keeping the team active would be for everyone on the team to be notified of everything that is happening to the wiki.

This seems like an obvious feature but I can't find how to enable notification for all changes to the wiki.

Wikinaut (talkcontribs)

As an ad-hoc solution: you can(have to) add all pages to your watchlist.

Wikinaut (talkcontribs)

It would be possible, yes, but currently there is no option for enabling such a feature.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Yes, watchlist is your best option. You can force email notifications for watchlist moves and add every page to the watchlist, be be cautious of a spam effect!

Another solution is to use Extension:Newsletter send regular updates to the participants. That's a way to surface edits, but also a very good opportunity to built a community by having highlights on cool projects, or sharing best practices.

Tim Smith (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I don't know about that extension. I see it is tagged as unmaintained, so using it may not be the best idea.

Reply to "Enabling Notification For All Changes"
Janezdrilc (talkcontribs)

Two icons of bell and "something" seem a little bit confusing to me. I never know what is behind one or another when "ringing". In my eyes it actually doesn't matter what kind of message is about to come. So, I would rather keep just a bell. Could be red colored when it's about user page message or someone mentioning me, and blue colored when it's about a thank or my mentioning of somebody.

One another thing: In the Special:Notifications there could be an option for selecting types of messages to show: user talk notices, mentions of me, mentions by me, thanks ...

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The first notification badge (red, "alerts", the bell) contains most important notification types: new messages on your talk page, mentions, etc. The second notification badge (blue, "notices", the tray) contains less important notifications: pages likes, message on other talk pages, etc. All kind of notifications are documented here.

I've created a feature ticket for your idea of having filters on Special:Notifications.

Janezdrilc (talkcontribs)

Thanks for answer and a ticket.

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This edit hasn't triggered a notification

Micru (talkcontribs)
Ymblanter (talkcontribs)

It is ok. You only get notified if the user signs at the same time they ping you.

Truthseeker40 (talkcontribs)

Perhaps this is the best place to ask a question about notifications. I have set up notifications for 4 models, and use the same email address for notifications. So far, this has not worked at all. I have checked my email junk and spam folders, and there is nothing found. Any suggestions would help!

Micru (talkcontribs)

Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification :)

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Gryllida (talkcontribs)

At some wikis editors may wish to form a group, such as a wikiproject. Membership is maintained in two ways: by listing members on a wiki page by hand, and by adding a 'I am a member of wikiproject Foo' userbox on a user page which adds the user to the appropriate category.

Is it possible to make it so that pinging at wikiproject page via Echo results into a notification being delivered to all its members? Each user would be able view their wikiproject membership in the Notifications tab in their preferences and untick WikiProjects whose notifications they do not wish to receive?

(I can see this being abused, but abusers would need to be treated in the same manner as if they were pasting a long number of usernames into wiki page, so I don't think this tool would actively open an abuse vector.)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There is no group mention system in Notifications. That's an idea to consider and I've documented it on Phabricator.

It is a real need. I've seen a wikiproject notification system on French Wikipedia, where you can mention a project. You add a template and that template is listed in a category. You need to watch that category's activity, which is... another problem. :) That's more a substitute than a real notification system.

I think your idea would be a good candidate for the next Community Whishlist survey.

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Feature request: API to add a notification?

Pcj (talkcontribs)

Is there anyway an action can be added to the API to allow notifications to be generated by e.g., gadgets? Or is this possible another way already?

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PerfektesChaos (talkcontribs)

I am afraid not.

I recall discussions on this issue, and the result has been to disallow procedural issueing of notifications to avoid mass misuse and bothering users and projects. Even more, there is no arbitrary message text permitted (which could be a hidden drug or weapon deal) communicated between two users, or offensive things which cannot be proved by the victim.

Therefore only standard situations like mentioning or thanking for an edit can trigger a notification, and the generated text is defined by the circumstances.

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Aschroet (talkcontribs)

Hi all, am i right that currently MW does not support that notifications about changes at the watchlisted articles cannot be sent by HTML mail since (1) the MW core does not support that, (2) the Echo extensions does not cover this kind of events and (3) there is no extension does that for me?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)


I receive my watchlist notifications by HTML emails. That's a core feature, not an Echo one.

Aschroet (talkcontribs)

@Trizek (WMF), merci for you answer. I also see those mail coming from Commons, WP etc. but on my local installation i don't. And actually also in the code i do not find where e. g. the HTML-Links to URLs (<a>...</a>) are created. The i18n files only contain plain text.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'll forward your questions to the developers. :)

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Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

HTML email is disabled by default, you have to enable it in your configuration with $wgAllowHTMLEmail = true;

Aschroet (talkcontribs)
Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hmm, you're right. I just looked and watchlist emails coming from Wikipedia don't even use HTML email, so I think that means it's probably not available/implemented anywhere. I'm not aware of an extension that would do this for you.

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Fixing this (by merging Notifications into core, probably) is tracked as Task 15303.

Aschroet (talkcontribs)

@Roan Kattouw (WMF), when i look at my mails from Wikipedia or Commons then they contain clickable links. Or is that added by the Mail client on my phone? Anyway, i wonder why this is not implemented. Everyone expects to be able to click a link that is coming via mail.

@Trizek (WMF), would be helpful to bring light into the darkness.

Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Yes, the clickable links are added by your mail client. I just looked at the raw version of a watchlist email I received recently, and it's plain text, no HTML.

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