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Equinox (talkcontribs)

Unclear from the current documentation: what happens when a muted user tries to "thank" you? Does it prevent them? (This would appear to violate the claim that "a user's mute list is private from all other users on the wiki, including administrators or any other functionary".) Or does it let them go ahead, but you just never actually see their thanks?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It mutes every notification.

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Two discussion forums for the same topic?

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Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Does Talk:Notifications have a different purpose than this discussion forum? Thanks in advance

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

What do you mean?

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I would say that Help talk:Notifications is about using notifications, and Talk:Notifications is about the project. But personally, I don't have a preference as to where the messages are posted, as far as it is on Mediawiki.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Actually to be honest, I personally would much rather know which employees are assigned by the WMF to answer questions on each forum. I find that some employees are sincerely interested in helping users, while others have probably been assigned by their manager to do something they do not enjoy, but are getting paid to do. Just my $.02

By the way, is there a list of all the different Flow discussion forums available on this site?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Project pages are sometimes a maze. On projects I'm assigned to, I try to keep them updated.

At the moment, there are no plans regarding improvements of Notifications. The maintenance of this tool is done by the Growth team. In this role, I keep an eye of the feedback pages in case of some ideas are suggested (they are then liste on Phabicator for the future), and also to help people who face a particular problem and report potential bug.

And there is no way to list all discussions happening on a wiki, I'm sorry.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

@ Trizek (WMF):

> At the moment, there are no plans regarding improvements of Notifications. The maintenance of this tool is done by the Growth team.

So this project is currently on hold, but it is assigned to the Growth team? This is unusual, don't you think?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Growth takes care of maintenance for this piece of Mediawiki. It means that we collect bug reports and fix urgent issues. Requests for improvements are documented for future development plans. It is the usual process for extensions used on Wikimedia websites.

I don't know how familiar you are with the difference between development and maintenance in our context. It is like with a building: there is a difference between planning moving a wall to add a new door (development plan) and changing lightbulbs or fuses when electricity is down (maintenance).

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Cross-wiki notifications on mobile

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HHill (talkcontribs)

When I get a notification from another wiki on mobile, I see the red number but tapping on it only the (older) local notifications, not the notification from the other wiki like on desktop.

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how to implement on a MW 1.31 wikifarm?

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Revansx (talkcontribs)

I'm running a 1.31 wiki-farm using meza which does not configure cross-wiki notifications by default. How do I implement this? Where are the config instructions?

Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Config instructions for the Echo extension are here. For cross-wiki notifications, you have to set $wgEchoCrossWikiNotifications = true; in the settings file for each wiki.

Cross-wiki notifications only work if you have shared user logins across your farm. I'm not very familiar with Meza, but it looks like you have to set up a shared user table for this to work, by designating a primary wiki. Then set $wgEchoSharedTrackingDB to the database name of the primary wiki.

Finally, you'll need the main stash ($wgMainStash) and the WAN cache ($wgMainWANCache) to be shared between all wikis. Without this, cross-wiki notifications will work, but the counters showing how many notifications you have won't update correctly. I don't know whether Meza uses shared caches by default, or how to set that up within Meza, that's a question for the Meza people. But if you follow these instructions and then notice that you can see unread notifications from one wiki on another wiki, but that marking a notification as read doesn't decrease the unread notification counters on other wikis (or that receiving a new notification doesn't increase the counters on other wikis), this is probably what's wrong.

Revansx (talkcontribs)

I'll give it a try and let you know. Thanks!

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Cross-wiki notifications thumbnail gets to deadlock

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Summary by Quiddity (WMF)

Resolved

ŠJů (talkcontribs)

At the Czech Wikipedia, quoted notifications gets to deadlock when clicked unwrap.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi ŠJů

I'm not sure to understand. Can you provide me a screenshot of what you see?

ŠJů (talkcontribs)
Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)
ŠJů (talkcontribs)

These bugs may be related but are not identic.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Ah, based on your screenshots, I think it might be phab:T135252. A few other bugs were fixed today. Are you still getting the deadlock?

ŠJů (talkcontribs)

A link to this your answer works correctly.

IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Hi. Could you please add an explanation of muted users list. Should it have each user on a new line? Comma separated? Semicolon separated? Users in double brackets single space separated? Something else? Thank you.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)
IKhitron (talkcontribs)

Great. Thank you.

جولينا (talkcontribs)

مرحبا انا مستخدمة مسجلة بحساب اخر باسم ارينا سجلت الخروج بدون قصد ونسيت كلمة السر

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hello

You can retrieve the password if a email address has been attached to the account (help). If that's not the case, no one can do anything.

On most wikis, you are not supposed to act on behalf of someone. You should create a new account.

جولينا (talkcontribs)

مرحبا اسفة انا لم افهم ما تحاول قوله لأنني في الحقيقة معلوماتي في الإنجليزية محدودة ايمكن ان تشرحلي بالعربية

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Avicenno (talkcontribs)

ييمكنك استخدام خيار نسيت كلمة السر لتصلك كلمة السر على البريد الذي اضفتيه للحساب واذا لم تستطيعي فعلى الاغلب عليك القيام بانشاء حساب جديد

Avicenno (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Great! Much thanks!

جولينا (talkcontribs)

آسفة لم أضع بريد الكتروني كما انني كلما أردت إنشاء حساب جديد اجدنفسي ممنوعة برغم ان المستخدمة ارينا غير ممنوعة انا حزينة

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

من هي أرينا؟

جولينا (talkcontribs)

ارينا هو حسابي في ويكيبيديا

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

ممكن رابط له؟

جولينا (talkcontribs)

لم افهم

جولينا (talkcontribs)

لم افهم

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

رابط لحسابك ارينا

جولينا (talkcontribs)

اسفة لم افهمك يمكن شرح تفصيلي

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

اريد رابط للصفحة الشخصية لحسابك الاخر على ويكيبيديا

جولينا (talkcontribs)

انا كاتبه عن اول نوفمبر وعن حكم أعجبتني

جولينا (talkcontribs)

أهذا يكفي ام تود المزيد

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

لم اجد حسابا يحمل هذا الاسم هل يمكنك تقديم وصلة لمقالة عدلتها او كتبتها؟

جولينا (talkcontribs)

أخي مصعب اود إنشاء حساب جديد

جولينا (talkcontribs)

ايمكنك مساعدتي

Avicenno (talkcontribs)
جولينا (talkcontribs)

قالو لي انني ممنوعة ساعدني 😞

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

ارسلي نص الرسالة التي تظهرلك

جولينا (talkcontribs)

لا يمكنك إنشاء حساب انت ممنوعة

جولينا (talkcontribs)

هذا هو نص الرسالة 😞

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

ممكن ترسلي صورة او تنسخي نص الرسالة حرفيا

جولينا (talkcontribs)

اسفة لا أعرف ان انسخ

جولينا (talkcontribs)

😞😞😞😭😭😩

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

للاسف لا يمكنني المساعدة فلا أمتلك البيانات اللازمة لمساعدتك

جولينا (talkcontribs)

لا عليك صديقي العزيز في النهاية انت اتعبتك معي كثيرا واوجعت لك راسك شكرا جزيل الشكر وأتمنى لك باقي الوقات سعادة اسفة سامحني ☺

جولينا (talkcontribs)

ولكن سؤال خارجي مامعنى بيانات لازمة ممكن تشرحلي اذا اردت طبعا وان كان هذا لا يزعجك

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

يعني رسالة المنع، رابط للحساب الممنوع او اسمه الدقيق او رابط لسجل المنع او توقيته وهذا يساعدني على التحقق اما الوضع الحالي فلا استطيع التحقق من شيء

جولينا (talkcontribs)

اتقصد متى منع المستخدم مثلا؟

Avicenno (talkcontribs)

يمكن لو كان بدقة توقيته

جولينا (talkcontribs)

حسنا ولكن انا لا اظن ان المستخدم ارينا منع وذلك عندما كنت مسجلة لم اقم باي مخالفات

تؤدي الى منعي

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Site wide configuration of notifications

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TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

I run a private wiki. I would like to configure what type of notifications users of my site get. Users may have ability to change them independently, but I would like to be able to provide a default configuration for all users on my wiki.

I looked at this page : Special:DisplayNotificationsConfiguration

Seems like it only "displays" the configuration but does not let me change anything. Is there a way to change what these notification configurations across site for all users? Further, I don't like the logic of splitting Notifications between Notices and Alerts. I would like to call everything as Alert and have only one fly-out and only one badge show up. Is that possible?

I have shell access. If I need to do it through some script, that is fine as well.

Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Some of these things can be changed through $wg variables in LocalSettings.php, others can't. You can't easily make everything an alert without editing the code in a number of places (although the edits wouldn't be too bad). If you want to do that, I can help you with it, it depends on which other extensions you have enabled that provide notification types.

The default configuration of whether people get notified through the web or email can be changed in LocalSettings.php. For example, to make article-linked notifications send email notifications by default, use $wgDefaultUserOptions['echo-subscriptions-email-article-linked'] = true;, and to make emailuser notifications not send web notifications by default, use $wgDefaultUserOptions['echo-subscriptions-web-emailuser'] = false;.

If you want to change "Allowed notification methods", you can do that in LocalSettings.php too. For example, users are not allowed to enable email notifications for emailuser because it would be silly to send them an email saying they got an email, but if you want to allow that anyway you can do $wgNotifyTypeAvailabilityByCategory['emailuser']['email'] = true;. If you want to disallow users from getting web notifications for reverts, you can do $wgNotifyTypeAvailabilityByCategory['reverted']['web'] = false;.

These vars are also documented here, along with some others. If you can't find what you want to change, feel free to ask me and I'll point you to it.

TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

@Roan Kattouw (WMF), thanks. This was super helpful!

One quick question. What is the precise difference between "Alert" and "Notice". This is very confusing. What is the precise definition?

Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The only effective difference is that "alerts" appear in the leftmost notification widget (the bell, with numbers in red) and "notices" appear in the rightmost one (the inbox, with numbers in blue). Alerts are meant for things that are urgent and/or directly involve the user (e.g. mentions, reverts, user talk messages) whereas notices are meant for less urgent things and/or things that don't directly involve the user (e.g. thanks, new topics/posts on a Flow board/topic you watch.

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118.212.156.189 (talkcontribs)
Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Is that on a Wikimedia wiki, or a 3rd party wiki?

If Wikimedia: Can you tell us what happens when you click the "..."?

If 3rd party: I'm not familiar with a bug like that. More details about your setup might help someone to diagnose the problem.

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Murbaut (talkcontribs)

I not see all notify on myuserpage and cross x wiki. I need restore, if notify in version 1.28 it very easy and don't have problem.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Murbaut, do you see any notifications in the flyout menu, or the special:notifications page? (From the local wiki, or cross-wiki)

Please could you take some screenshots, and either email them to me (nwilsonwikimedia.org) or upload it here? Thanks.

Murbaut (talkcontribs)

I can't see okay I'll send

Murbaut (talkcontribs)
Murbaut (talkcontribs)

Already send

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I've filed a bug as phab:T152799. Thank you for the details (via email).

Murbaut (talkcontribs)

okay :)

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