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Making VisualEditor Default Inside Flow

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TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

How do you make visual editor default inside Flow instead if wikieditor.

I have VE set as default on main namespace but I still get wikiteditor as default in flow talk pages.

Spas.Z.Spasov (talkcontribs)

Just switch to VE, create a new topic or a reply and next time it will be the default editor.

Alsee (talkcontribs)

To be more specific:

  • I'm virtually certain that the initial default is VE.
  • After that, Flow remembers and defaults back to whatever editing mode you used(*) last time.

(*) In order to "use" a mode you need to make some sort of change in that mode, and click save. Typing in wikitext mode, switching to visual, and saving with no new changes, would count as wikitext mode.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@TitusiMW, you mean in a Wikimedia wiki, or in a third-party wiki?

In a Wikimedia wiki, you have to switch to visual editing mode and the wiki remembers this choice. In another configuration, it may be different.

Paulgina911 (talkcontribs)

That's true

Daylen (talkcontribs)

@TitusiMW

Instructions on how to switch from the source editor to the wikitext editor while using Flow
TitusiMW (talkcontribs)

My question was for a private hosted wiki. I understand how to switch between modes. I woould like to make VE default for all users of my wiki. Is there a way to do that?

Alsee (talkcontribs)

I wish you luck with that. We have been asking the WMF for a way to make wikitext the default, and the WMF doesn't want to fix the dysfunctional "start in an effectively random mode" design.

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LIVE NIEUWS (talkcontribs)

Hello, a question. When I see Flow on this talkpage, I can scroll endless, there is no bottom of the page, I think. Is there no archive? If there is an archive and Flow is installed on your "talk" page, can every user choose how en when pages are archived or is this the same for all of us?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There is no archive. The posts with the most recent activity are on at the top of the page.

Daylen (talkcontribs)

Any ETA for when search will be arriving to Flow?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Probably this autumn. The best way to know is to subscribe to the Collaboration newsletter.

Daylen (talkcontribs)

Sounds good! I am already subscribed to the newsletter.

LIVE NIEUWS (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the information!

Сунприат (talkcontribs)

If any bot will correct templates in old messages - date of the message will change too? Can Flow-bots not change date of the message?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Ah, good point. (Also bot-edits would bump the "recent activity" for no reason). Filed as phab:T94711 - If you have any examples in mind, please add them there by editing the description. Thanks!

Neolexx (talkcontribs)

Based on my own message "JSON data structure" below it doesn't. I posted first and then corrected a small typo (lof to lot) and it didn't change the original time stamp - rather, a new revision has been added to the history. Try https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=flow&submodule=view-topic&page=Topic:Semm2wei2gey0m4o and view at http://jsonviewer.stack.hu/

Surely developpers may know better.

Jamesjames281 (talkcontribs)

I think this might help: json formatter

SimonMayers (talkcontribs)

Maybe it also depend on your message

A flow is started by a trigger (usually either New Message or Catch-all), and starts a series of actions, such as Send a Message in response.

driving directions maps.

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Suggestion: Separate content-models for flow to make titles searchable

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197.218.80.221 (talkcontribs)

Issue

Cannot find thread titles using the flow search.

Background

As noted in the subject page, the built in search engine can find all flow "boards" (Flow#Is there a way to all find pages that use Flow .3F), but it can't find any threads / topics names within them, nor is it possible to search the board description, or flow summaries. Full flow search may take a while (or never happen) but making it possible to search for topic titles would be a minor (and hopefully easy) short term improvement.

Proposed solution

Separate the different parts of flow into separate content:

  1. flow-board - The main discussion page consisting of flow topics
  2. flow-topic / flow-thread - The specific discussion within a board, storing just the titles for now

The ones suggested for now, would be 1 (which already exists), and 2 which would make it possible to see all discussions titles, without fully obtaining all the text within it. Number 3 (and the rest) are probably best left for a future date as they are probably more complicated.


Long term (as in not part of the immediate suggestion)

  • flow-post - The individual posts within each thread, possibly for a future date. Since flow may either internally store them as wikitext or html.
  • Might be indexed as part of the wikitext content model:
    • Summary - summary of each board (if it exists)
    • Description - description of each board
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thank you for you message! We are discussing about implementing search, both on a board or a whole set of topics. The ideas you have are options we are discussing about.

197.218.88.1 (talkcontribs)

Hopefully it is simpler than attempting to get the whole flow search to work, as far as I understand it. The fact that it finds flow-board at all, was actually an "accident" or side-effect of new functionality in the search engine rather than any changes to flow itself.

Anyway, this task seems related: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73196.

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Ssola (talkcontribs)

According to this page since August 2014, signatures don't apply in flow, but there are plans for a "Preferred name". Is this feature planned for the near future?

Sänger (talkcontribs)

Signatures work. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 21:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Ssola (talkcontribs)

Is there any way to customize the name appearing at the top of one's messages?

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It is not posible to customize it for the moment.

Ssola (talkcontribs)

I like the proposal of DannyH in this phabricator ticket. It's adding a plain text in parenthesis after your name that can be changed anytime, and the change applies everywhere.

I see there are some details to be resolved. But starting with a global preference of "Display name" seems like a good start (mentions by display name can be implemented later). Wether to use the old "real name" field is the only thing that we've to see, but I don't know the technicalities.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Have multiple names displayed may lead to some confusion for the users, especially when you want to mention them. Which name is supposed to be used? You may have seen cases where the username is different from the signature. It is confusing as well. So this topic have to be considered carefully.

However, there is no clear plan for signatures in Flow's roadmap. It is not planed to work on this feature now.

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Flow boards were down due to a database problem

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Summary by Daylen

This was a result of the Wikipedia Foundation's server switch 2017, and should be fixed now.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Just a note for anyone who's curious about what happened: during the m:Tech/Server switch 2017 work, a problem temporarily prevented edits to Flow boards. Everything should be fine again, but if it's not, then please {{ping}} me.

Built in machine translation

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Summary by Daylen

This has been previously suggested; however, there are no near-term plans to implement it.

Daylen (talkcontribs)

Any plans to automatically show translated text for the language that the user has set as their preference?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That feature request has been suggested before, and is tracked at Phab:T98728. However there are no near-term plans to implement it. Thanks for sharing the idea, though.

Flow does not use Userpage: but Topic: as basis

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QZanden (talkcontribs)

For some magic words the Flow doesn't seem to work. Take a look at d:User talk:Queryzo, where he was welcomed with an admin-template that uses {{BASEPAGENAME}} or something like that. Is there already a task filed in phabricator for this issue?

QZanden (talkcontribs)

I could not find one, so I created one. See phab:T166612.

If you change your username, the function won't be activated again automaticly.

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2ephaniah (talkcontribs)

After I change my username, I find it's back to classic mode, but the parameter in preference is still selected. After I cancel it, save it, and select it again, it works. Maybe it's a bug, please fix it.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

In theory, this bug has been fixed in March. Your Flow board was supposed to be moved when your account has been renamed.

I see you have re-activated Flow on your user talk page on zh.wp, but it is apparently a new page. Didn't you have another one, attached to your previous account?

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Blinking of the date/few seconds ago

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Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Hello,

When a message has just been posted, and shows "few seconds ago" (I'm guessing the translation), when the cursor is over it, it shows the real date/time. But because this message has not the same size, it keeps blinking/flashing between both if the cursor is too much on the left.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi

I can't reproduise it. Do you have a page when it happen?

Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Hi Trizek,

For more explanations, in French, the post shows the chain : "il y a quelques secondes" wich is longer than : "a few seconds ago".

- When the cursor is over the first words, on the left of the chain, (like "il y a..."), it shows the real time.

- But, because the date shown is shorter than the text, the cursor is now out of the "over area", and because the cursor is not over the date, it shows back the text "il y a quelques secondes".

- Now the cursor is again over the text, so it shows the date, and repeat ...

If I changed my settings to english, it doesn't happen anymore, have you tried with different settings ?

If needed I can try to figure out how to make a video capture of my screen.

Thanks !

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I should have precised that I've tried to reproduce this bug using French. :) I tried on a group of random dates, not specifically on the "il y a quelques secondes" case, though. Désolé.

I cas see this bug, reported. This bug is not a blocker so it will very probably triaged as "Lowest" priority, and it may possibly be declined if the interface is reviewed.

Roumpf (talkcontribs)

Allright, thank you for reporting it. I totally understand it is not a priority, but I could not have left a bug without notifying it !

Thanks.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Très bonne attitude. :)