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Not here? Tch!

Summary by Jdforrester (WMF)

VE needs to work for talk pages; perhaps VE editor should be integrated into a re-write of LiquidThreads.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

Aw, it doesn't work on the talk page!

"Imagine a world where you can edit Wikipedia without wading through a sea of computer guacamole. That's our commitment."

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

It will. But right now it doesn't do definition-lists, which are the backbone of Wikimedia's non-LiquidThreads conversations, so...

Jasper Deng (talkcontribs)

I think the new LiquidThreads must use the visual editor, though.

Mattflaschen-WMF (talkcontribs)

It does now. :)

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Installation Instructions

Cneubauer (talkcontribs)

Hi, any chance someone could write up some basic installation instructions for VisualEditor? Or answer this question asking how to install it? --Cneubauer (talk) 11:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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Dantman (talkcontribs)
  • There's absolutely no source mode. The editor is nice but I still feel uncomfortable when I can't look at the source for a moment.
  • There's no way to preview a diff of the changes anymore.
  • Links should probably have a title="". I naturally hover over links to see their target. I wanted to see if the target was correct and I had to fiddle with the link editor just to see something that should have been easily available.
  • It looks like the editor disables edit conflict handling. As I appear to have ended up overwriting an other user's edit.

Daniel Friesen (Dantman) (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

JakobVoss (talkcontribs)

As far as I understand there is no simple source, but an underlying data structure, which can be serialized as source. So it might be possible to edit source code but when you save an edit, the source code gets normalized (my guess).

Mdennis (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The ability to view source for older edits would be fabulous. While testing, I experienced an edit-conflict, where I made this change only to see it wiped out by the next. Sometimes, it is useful in editing to be able to easily resurrect sections with markup without reverting the whole page. This doesn't seem to be possible anymore, although I may be missing the obvious in the unfamiliar work environment or it may simply not yet be possible.

Overall, I find it jaw-droppingly easy, although I'm sure it'll be a slightly more comfortable experience as more features are added in.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)
Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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G.Hagedorn (talkcontribs)

Understanding the destination of existing links is unsatisfactorily solved. At present, the link destination is invisible in editing mode (no mouse-over - which is a dangerous thing in itself, because unavailable on touchpad user interfaces). Furthermore, clicking into the link and clicking on the link button (chain symbol) does NOT open the dialog. It seems one has to precisely mark the entire link first, then the link button does show the link destination.

Suggestion: after each link add a little icon which, when clicked, adds a directly editable inline element containing the link destination. No need to go to the top, no no modal popup dialog which has to separately confirmed... The inline link destination should not require closing to accept, it should just be a part of the text and changes to it are naturally saved together with all other text when the page is being saved.

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Editing numbered Lists is broken

G.Hagedorn (talkcontribs)

Click on one item in a three element numbered list and click on the numbered list button -> all three elements become unnumbered. Click again -> only the first element becomes numbered.

Mark all three and click -> you sometimes get three elements in a numbered list, sometimes three numbered lists, each starting with number 1. Could not figure out when I get what...

When I mark three fresh, non numbered, non-bulleted lines, it seems generally to work becoming a three part numbered list. Although clicking again (which changing selection focus) on the button to undo here never works. That is: all three 1 to 3 selected, click on numbered list button to unnumber does not work, going to the first element click same button, unnumbers all.

Having three line of unnumbered text where the second element is a bulleted list item, select, click numbered list (expecting to have a nested bullet within a numbered list) does not work.

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shut down?

Summary by Jdforrester (WMF)

VE requires Vector skin with JavaScript enabled to work; fails badly otherwise. See bugzilla:37855.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

I only see a 'view source' button... is it just me or has it been shut down already?

He7d3r (talkcontribs)
He7d3r (talkcontribs)

Your Javascript probably failed to load, because page protection does not work with this.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I can edit Visual editor/Feedback, but it only has the regular editing environment. Jasper: Can you be a bit more specific?

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

By the way, the message I get is "You do not have permission to edit pages in the VisualEditor namespace."

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

Using ?action=edit does not work, you have to press the edit button. Make sure you have Javascript enabled in your browser settings.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)

The namespace is protected (sysops-only) unless you're using the VisualEditor; this is to prevent people inserting random code that we already know will break it. :-)

He7d3r (talkcontribs)
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