Extension talk:Education Program

Rollout timeline

Wouldn't it make sense to move this to a subpage? Cheers [[kgh]] (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, don't know why it's here :) Jeroen De Dauw (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

some sudgestions

Hi, I'm a professor at the university and I am interested to use this extension but it has some lacks and we should add some feature to it.

1. At the course page it should:
   1. when a student wants to add him/herself an article if that article is selected by other student don't allow him without help of the tutor. (now many students can add an article to their work)
   2. students don't add redirect pages or move them to target page or send an alarm that is a redirect!
   3. showing none exist pages in red. now it is none link.
   4. students or users less than n edits (for example 100 edits) could not to be other students article reviewer.
2. extension can use local calendar like w:en:Persian calendar which is active in fa.wikipedia
3. at the page &action=epcourseactivity it should show
   1. does other users patrolled that revision or is that revision the last edit
   2. we can filter the revision namespace (user changes at the user namespace is not important which is now shows in that page!)
4. after a student add himself to the a program the extension add a template to his user page which show he is member of the education program and if it is exists. leave it!(now most of the new users don't create their user page and it is in red!)
5. notifying the tutor when a student is added to the course.

I wanted to add them to mediawiki bugzila but it is difficult to make many bug reports!Yamaha5 (talk) 09:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! This is very valuable feedback. Some of the improvements you suggest are things we've been thinking of and working on. We are looking into the method of inputting dates soon, so I will see if we can make it work with local calendars. We have a wave of improvements that should be coming soon, once they have gone through code review; some of the issues you are interested in will be improved then, although not exactly in the ways you suggest. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 11:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

thank you for your reply the other issue

• please filter other editions by the students in pages which are not at the course subject. for example if user added article A the &action=epcourseactivity page only shows his edits in that page not all other pages! or namespaces. or it can be by adding a filter for that.
• have a statistic page which shows each students works like below :

student's works at this period

|-

|article

|added (byte)

|removed (byte)

|created?

|-

|foo1

|1200

|4500

|no

|-

|foo2

|5530

|0

|yes

|-

|}

at here thay developed JS tool which could make statistic chart for an article and 10 top users. in my opinion you can use some part of it's code (because of mediawiki changes now it doesn't work!) Yamaha5 (talk) 12:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Editing of institutions and courses

Why is the tab for editing pages of institutions and courses not recognizing that page is already created? It keeps to show MediaWiki:Visualeditor-ca-createsource/cs while it should switch to MediaWiki:Visualeditor-ca-editsource/cs. At least it does behave this weird way on Czech Wikipedia. Utar (talk) 11:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

It behaves that way any time VisualEditor is enabled. It's on the radar of the VE team to fix, and I'm hopeful it won't be too much longer before they can get to it.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T55477

Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Links to edits and notes to articles

Hi, I have two more suggestions:

• add link to the diff page for edits showed in Special:MyCourses, maybe even direct link to history of changed page
• add a way to add notes to assigned articles, for example via new column of the whole Student-Article-Reviewer table

Do you see enough space for these new features in the current GUI? Utar (talk) 12:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much!

Adding diffs to the activity feed is definitely something we want to do, although I'm not sure whether we will implement it in the current extension or make that part of the more general Editor campaigns system that will eventually replace it. It may be, though.

Adding a notes column is probably not something we will consider for the current extension, but it's something to consider for the more flexible editor campaigns system. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fast reply. I am going to keep watching Editor campaigns closely and see what fruits it bears. Utar (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

About MediaWiki:Ep-articletable-remarticle-text

Is this usage of bad user name a bug or did we just messed our translation message? Utar (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I thought I replied earlier, but apparently not... This is a bug that isn't specific to Czech. Thanks for reporting it! It was actually pretty easy to fix (I think). I submitted a patch this morning, and if it gets approved today, it should be live by next Thursday. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

You did reply … but on translatewiki.net. Utar (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Aha! :-) Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Diffs of course pages

I can't find a way how to access diffs of course pages. History page of one cswiki course is not listing diff links. When I open some old version (say, this one) and try to use that link on lišit (It may _differ_ significantly from the current revision.: It should normally show the difference between that old version and current one.) I get some other diff (in this case, the diff of Main page).

Maybe these corrupted links are caused by trying to see diffs in EP namespace. Can you please add the support of diffs for course (and institution) pages? Utar (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T47623

For now, the only way to view diffs for course pages is to go to "view history" and then click the "undo" or "restore" links. That will show you the difference between versions. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. But, well, spotting the difference is scarcely an easy task in this case, with so many links at one spot :D . Regards Utar (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's a problem, one of many ways that course pages don't behave as much like normal wiki pages as they should. We may be able to fix it in the next couple of months, or it may be something that we can't fix until editor campaigns is mature enough to replace the current course pages. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

We have found a way around it: the course page under EP is just transcluding the subpage of our Wikiproject "Students write Wikipedia". See w:cs:Wikipedie:Studenti píší Wikipedii/Marketingové aplikace (2013/2014) and the source of w:cs:Education Program:Vysoké učení technické/Marketingové aplikace (2013-2014). There are now at least two courses on cswiki using this technique. Utar (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Good. We use a similar workaround on en.wiki. At least now (as of last week) users can edit the main text region of course pages.

By the way, Utar, you may wish to sign up for the education program technical updates: m:Global message delivery/Targets/Wikipedia Education Program technical updates. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do so.

I have added this workaround to documentation so other projects can find it more easily. Utar (talk) 00:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Templates in edit summaries

Should templates in edit summaries by really showed in this way? It seems the parser system used is different from the standard one – it shows templates not by link but by their appearance, maybe it also translate tildes into signatures then… Utar (talk) 14:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I had noticed this bug once a long time ago, but it looks like I never filed a bug report. I've filed it now.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T64107

Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot add an instructor, cas or oas

Why I cannot become an instructor or assign to others, instead it shows that "Something went wrong - could not add the instructor to the course."? Wangchaofan (talk) 08:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• What rights do you have? Are you not blocked?
• Where, on which wiki did it happen? Are there any other instructors?
• In which state is that course? Is it a newly made one? Is it correctly assigned to its institution? Are there any students in that course?

Some more info would be helpful. Utar (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• What rights do you have? Are you not blocked?
• Where, on which wiki did it happen? Are there any other instructors?
• In which state is that course? Is it a newly made one? Is it correctly assigned to its institution? Are there any students in that course?

Some more info would be helpful. Utar (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Disabling extension

There is discussion about enabling this extension in ukwiki. Some users are concerned about the lack of people to work with education programs. They ask whether Education Program extension can be painlessly disabled in wiki if no editors use it. Is this possible? Ата ^(talk) 15:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ata. I wasn't sure of the answer to your question, so I did some asking, and I'm told that, yes, it might be possible, but it's probably irreversible. HTH. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

By saying that it's irreversible you mean that things made through this extension elswhere will disappeare, right? Will this action of disabling affect main namespace? If it won't then it's ok Ата ^(talk) 13:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Ata, sorry for the late reply; I was traveling and without internet access. Sage says that the notifications created by the extension could possibly break the display of other notifications, so it might not be possible to disable it before Editor Campaigns is mature enough to replace the extension. But eventually it will be deprecated anyway, so leaving it enabled but unused for a while shouldn't cause many problems. HTH. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I just tested it, and I'm pleased to note that Notifications shouldn't be a problem; if the extension is disabled, the associated Notifications just don't appear. So there's nothing that Andrew (the maintainer of this extension) or I can think of that would cause any technical problems with disabling the extension after it had been enabled for a while. It would *probably* be possible to disable it if that's what the community wanted, although I can't make any promises. Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, this is what I wanted to hear :-) We'll have this in mind Ата ^(talk) 08:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Bug

Hi, I have a bug with this extension. I don't know why.

"SELECT student_id FROM `wiki_ep_students` WHERE student_user_id = '40' LIMIT 1"

ORMTable::rawSelect

1146 Table 'sadhwsfe_db00003.wiki_ep_students' doesn't exist (localhost).

Thanks Dekel E (talk) 13:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Sage (Wiki Ed), ideas? Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Where did you find this bug? Which wiki? Which page? What were you doing at the time? Ragesoss (talk) 14:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Is this on your own wiki? Looks like you did not run MediaWikis update.php to install the extension fully. Jeroen De Dauw (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I just forgot to run the update.php file. Dekel E (talk) 17:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Rights

How can I do that instructors will be able to delete their students' pages (and will not be able to delete other pages)? Thanks, Dekel E (talk) 15:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki article link

Is it possible to add a link to other language Wikipedia as a student's article? Using, say, ":en:Prague" to link from cswiki to enwiki writes there "en:Prague" and stays only as plain text (no "en:Prague" article found on cswiki) and not a link to enwiki. Utar (talk) 12:48, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the question, User:Utar. This is a feature I have been asked about more than once recently. I think the answer is "no, not yet," unfortunately. But I'm not certain about that. Pinging User:AGreen (WMF). Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Sadly that's the case. Interwiki links don't work there for now... One workaround might be to keep the student and article list as a table in standard Wikitext... AGreen (WMF) (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What is the roadmap of this extension?

Hello!

Is this going to remain supported for the next years or is it going to be replaced soon (this year or the next one)?

I read below that this extension was supposed to be replaced by Editor Campains but the pages for that project have not been updated in a while. I also noticed there was a session at Wikimania this year to work on something called Education-Program-Dashboard which also looks like is going to replace it. Lsanabria (talk) 05:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear Lsanabria,

Thank you for your interest in the Education Program MediaWiki Extension. To answer your questions:

1. I'm not certain of the current status of the Editor Campaigns project since its product manager left WMF in September 2014.
2. Yes, the Education-Program-Dashboard is a potential replacement for this extension. During the Hackathon at Wikimania in Mexico, 1 Wiki Education Foundation employee -- Sage Ross -- *in his volunteer capacity* -- and 2 Wikimedia Foundation employees -- Adam Wight and Andrew Russell Green -- *in their volunteer capacity* -- along with other community members -- worked on the code base. There is a report of that work on the Wiki Ed blog here: http://wikiedu.org/blog/2015/08/12/hacking-and-collaboration-at-wikimania/ . A draft roadmap of the work remaining to be done to have an MVP has been posted here: Extension:Education Program/July 2015 roadmap notes.

We welcome you and anyone else to help with this! Most of the work is already outlined in Phabricator. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hi,

I have a poblem with this extension. Recently, I upgraded my wiki version to 1.25.2. I don't know why, but since my wiki was updated, some of the functions of this extension stoped working. Now I can't add or remove new student or teachers to courses. The program worked well before. I use this program almost two years.

Thanks, Orwell1 (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dekel E.

Sorry to hear about this problem, but thank you for telling us. I recommend that you file a bug report on Phabricator in the Education Program Extension work board here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/549/. The bug wrangler will triage the bug report and the developer community will be able to help troubleshoot and hopefully fix this soon. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, But I didn't unserstand what to do. I have never reported a bug before, so I don't know what to do. Orwell1 (talk) 09:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

No worries, Dekel E. I can help you with that.

Go to this link: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/549/. Look next to the Search Box. You should see an icon of a window with an arrow in it. Click that icon. It should take you here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/auth/start/?next=%2Fproject%2Fview%2F549%2F. You can login with your MediaWiki credentials via OAuth. Then, re-load this page: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/549/. You should see a " + " button next to the search box now. Click that icon to add a new Task (aka bug report).

Title: explain the problem very succinctly

Assigned to: leave blank

CC: AKoval_WMF

Priority: needs triage

Projects: MediaWiki-extensions-EducationProgram

Security: none

Description: explain the problem in detail, especially which Wikimedia project. include links to relevant pages. include screenshots if you can (these help a lot!).

If these steps don't work, I can file the bug report for you. Just need to know which Wikimedia project you had the error on? Was this Hebrew Wikipedia? Thanks, Dekel E. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

FF alart (FYI)

A security alart pops up on Firefox when I pushed an external link to "Education extention on Ohloh." Omotecho (talk) 13:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)