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A1 (talkcontribs)

Does not work. See for example. All the text remain in Russian.

Nekto (talkcontribs)
Amire80 (talkcontribs)

Nekto is right: Machine translation is not supported for this language pair yet. It may be supported in the future. Machine translation is available only for a small number of language pairs at this point.

Olexa Riznyk (talkcontribs)

So what's the sence in deploying Content translation to Ukrainian Wikipedia, if no MT into Ukrainian is supported at all? Also,it does not allow to translate references. And also, it does not support inserting templates like Visual editor does, while Link-interwiki-like templates are really necessary in translation process. It's almost useless, and definitely disappointing.

Pginer-WMF (talkcontribs)

MT is definitely of great help while translating, but even without MT Content Translation has proven useful for many users. For example, more than 200 translations were published in French Wikipedia (where there is also no MT right now) in the first month since it has been available. Content Translation provides context by showing source and target paragraphs next to each other and adapting automatically elements such as links which many users considered to save they some valuable time.

The purpose of the tool is also to focus on starting quickly an initial version of the article (which you can later edit with the editor of your choice for advanced changes) not to create advanced content. The tool is available as a beta feature and we are aware of many limitations. However we think it is positive to expose it to the community (in an opt-in basis) to collect feedback and improve according to your needs.

Runab WMF (talkcontribs)

Hello @A1 @Nekto @Olexa Riznyk - Yandex machine translation system is now supported on Content Translation and as we understand it is particularly well developed for translating into Ukranian. We will be happy to enable it for Ukranian as well if you would like to consider this option. Thanks.

Endo999 (talkcontribs)

You can try out the GoogleTrans gadget content translation feature. You enable the gadget in your destination wiki (see and for help on this). The Yandex translation engine is supported now if you select it in the language change box of the gadget. Once the gadget is set in the common.js file of your destination wiki, you can select a paragraph in the middle column of the content translation system (the paragraph to be translated), hold the CTRL and ALT keys down at the same time. Then the paragraph will be translated to the destination wiki language and the HTML markup will be kept. This aids in translation. I have done 75 simple French articles to English this way.

You can translate, using the Yandex translation engine, from Russian to Ukranian, vice versa. In fact any of the language pairs supported by Yandex or Google are possible.

Endo999 (talkcontribs)

The GoogleTrans gadget is enabled already on the ukwiki (Ukranian Wikipedia). You can enable it for your account by going to Preferences/Gadgets and selecting GoogleTrans and then hitting the SAVE button at the bottom of the page. Then you should have the gadget running and from then on can use the Gadget in the Ukranian Content Translation system.

A1 (talkcontribs)

MT steel does not work. The year passed but steel I see the word "unavailable"  :(

I`m not sure yandex translate is better than google. Usually I use google and it is quite good.

Endo999 (talkcontribs)

The GoogleTrans gadget is not part of the Content Translation system, but is a gadget that integrates with it, as described above. You need to put a software include (see links in comments above) in your personal ruwiki common.js file (if translating from any language to russian) or in your enwiki common.js file (if translating from any language to english). At that point the gadget will start working for you and will have the CTRL-ALT translation behavior that I describe in my help links above.

Runab WMF (talkcontribs)

@A1, we are working on getting this sorted in a few days and will be able to enable MT for Ukranian in Yandex. You can select and use it from the dropdown. Please do keep an eye out for the announcement. Thanks.

A1 (talkcontribs)

At least it works! Thank you! Though I don`t understand why did you prefer yandex. Google translate is better than Yandex, this could prove most of Ukrainian users who deal with translations.

Runab WMF (talkcontribs)

Hi @A1, like I mentioned in another thread we are looking at the details for Google Translate as it is the most requested service. The entire process takes a bit of time as we need to ensure that terms of service and other legal aspects are clarified so that there are no technical or legal conflicts from either the MT provider or Wikimedia. The process with Yandex completed earlier and hence we are able to enable it at the moment. Thanks.

Endo999 (talkcontribs)

The GoogleTrans gadget can use either Google translate or Yandex translate engines. You select them in the language selection popup (go to the MORE on the top right menu, click on this and then click on 'GoogleTrans(on)'. You will then be able to select the translation engine. Google translation is the default.

This gadget is not part of the Wikipedia Content Translation system, but is a third party gadget that integrates with the Content Translation system. I have used it to translate over 200 French Wikipedia biops to the English Wikipedia. For simple to medium level difficulty articles the Google translation is definitely helpful in translating the article (for good language pairs like French-English), although it still requires a knowledgable human in the destination language to clean up the translation and fix up any any problems in the translation.

A1 (talkcontribs)

There is no such option in a the top right menu. There are only 3 optinos - "paste initial text", "Use Yandex" and "do not use machine translation". The first one and the last are the same in fact. Also it`s amazing, the poll I`ve organised in wikipedian community http://vk.com/uk.wikipedia shows, that about 70% prefer Goolge, 7% - Yandex, 7% - appriciate both of them and 15 % - neither. Therefore Goolge seems to be more popular then Yandex as 10:1.

Endo999 (talkcontribs)

HI A1 you are right on that point, for the Content Translation page. If you navigate in the destination wiki to the home webpage then you will be able to do the procedure I said above. There should be an inverted triangle and a "MORE" (in the enwiki at least) in the menu of the top right of the page.

In any way, it doesn't matter for your case, since Google is the default and you prefer Google.

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