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How has your experience been editing on a mobile device using the visual editor?

Frustrating? Satisfying? Confusing?

Whatever your experience might be, we are eager to hear. Also, please do not feel limited by the prompt above. This is a great place to share and talk about anything related to mobile editing. So please: feel empowered to use this space as you see it...we're going to do the same!

Wasted editing space in mobile source editing

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Kaartic (talkcontribs)

This is not about the visual editor for mobile but the source editor for mobile. Please let me know if this is not the right place for this piece of feedback.

I use Wikipedia on mobile via Firefox for Android on a device which has a small screen size (320x452 browser window size).

As the screen size is small, the space I get is limited already. Besides that, the mobile source editor seems to be wasting precious editing space by having lot of unnecessary white space surrounding the editor. See linked screenshot. As you could see, effectively the available editing space is only half the screen size! It would be nice if the unnecessary white space was removed used to give more editing space.

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Blockquote screws up Visual editing for entire paragraphs it’s under

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2600:387:6:80F:0:0:0:1F (talkcontribs)

I’ve been highly annoyed when trying to use VE around blockquotes. VE treats not only the quote itself, but the entire paragraph it has followed as one giant section that cannot easily be accessed unless you switch to Source editing.

Similarly trying to edit the quote itself or any of the other fields is hard unless you turn your phone sideways which usually doesn’t work as the screen leaves no room between the VE headers on top half, and the typepad on the bottom half.

Having said this, kudos for all the work so far as I have been able to create quite a few articles.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'm glad it's working better for you. Could you give me a link to an article that has blockquotes in it? (I'm wondering whether there's a blank line between the end of the blockquote and the next paragraph.)

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Mobile keyboard shortcuts for reduced toolbar

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Pelagic (talkcontribs)

Hi, in the VE toolbar on mobile I only have Undo, Formatting, Link and Cite. (Plus X and > of course.) No items for Headings, Lists, Insert, etc.

I've worked out partly by accident how to create numbered lists, bulleted lists, and headings by typing '#', '1.', '*' or '==' at the beginning of a line. (Aside: things can go awry with the ==== as the characters disappear and there's no visual indication what heading level you're at. A workaround is to type the text first then insert the == in front.)

Also figured out that I could invoke the transclude dialog by typing '{{'. Again through accident and existing typing habits. Whereas I find the pop-up for {{ and [[ is a bit intrusive on desktop, it actually feels more natural on mobile, maybe because the dialogs/cards are full-screen, or because I'm typing more slowly on a touch-screen.

Just today I learned from phab:T202575#4555959 that '<ref' works, and by analogy I also tried '<pre'. This image phab:F25614007 shows ':' for blockquote.

I haven't yet found a way to do indenting, insert symbols, reset to plain paragraph style, etc. without switching to source wikitext mode.

Does anyone have a list or know of other typed tricks (that work when your touch keyboard lacks tab, esc, ctrl, and alt)?

Omotecho (talkcontribs)

Have you tried StyleManual for mobile? I thought it should be on mobile as desktop mode does... Empathy you are learning by knocking on every door-to-door try and error, but you’re not alone ;)

  • Indents with _:_,
  • blockquotes with empty space _ _ at the line beginning.
  • Bolds _;_ at the line beginning, maybe _<b>_ middle of line
  • Sorry, forgot how to disengage dagger lists/indents. Thought two linebreaks but does not work anymore.
Pelagic (talkcontribs)
Omotecho (talkcontribs)

You know, your list is very handy, thanks for sharing! My suggestion above work on VE as well. I, as you do, avoid switching between VE and Wikitext Editing by tricks as above. Or intentionally apply Mobile view on my laptop as I need to enlarge to 120% thus save screen space without Desktop toolbars.

Off topic. Yes, we lack editing buttons on Mobile VE, or you tap “Desktop view” link at the very bottom, continue using VE and manage to work on the small screen... I do it on iPhone as Desktop VE toolbar is handy. But on laptop and Firefox, many times shift between Mobile and Desktop view “crushes”, but auto-recovers. Cheers,

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Can't mark edits as minor in mobile

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Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

There is no option to mark edits as minor in mobile source editor. I can't even see changes ( "Show changes"). The "edit summary required" setting doesn't work on mobile too. Please fix these issues. IMO, mobile source editor needs urgent work.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

What device are you using?

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

Chrome Dev For Android 78.0.3902.3 Android Nougat ZTE. The visual editor on mobile has the option to show changes, mark edit as minor. But in the source editor, all I can do is edit the source, click "Next" and give edit summary and then "Publish" page. I get to see a preview of what I changed but I can't see the preview in wikitext.

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Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

A questioner at the Teahouse on en-wiki has asked why tables that are sortable in desktop view are no longer sortable when seen in 'mobile view'. Is this something that is planned to be implemented at some point in the future? And do we have a comparison table anywhere that shows which functions are currently available/unavailable in each of the two views?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@TheDJ, have there been any changes to the sorting recently?

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

@Whatamidoing (WMF) @TheDJ Can I clarify, as I appreciate there's an unintended ambiguity in my question above. I did not mean to suggest that sorting in mobile view once worked, but doesn't any longer. I meant to imply that a page with a table that can be sorted in desktop view doesn't permit that table to be sorted when the page is displayed in mobile view (and presumably never has). So my question was to ask whether there are any plans to enable this, or if there are good reasons why sorting of tables is disabled in mobile view?

TheDJ (talkcontribs)

hmm. tablesorter is marked as a mobile compatible module.. I suspect it is because Minerva overrides getDefaultModules() as a skin, which causes a variety of modules to be missed... Suggest filing a ticket in phabricator

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

@TheDJ @Whatamidoing (WMF) I'd be grateful if one of you could raise this, please. I've little experience of Phabricator.

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Traumflug (talkcontribs)

Nice efforts! But pretty disappointing to see these efforts being limited to "mobile" devices. "Mobile" devices are perfectly normal computers, just with a smaller physical screen. Also, there's no boundary between "mobile" and not mobile devices. Smartphone <-> tablet <-> laptop <-> desktop is effectively all the same, just with growing screen sizes (what about a phone connected to a large desktop screen? What about desktop users using a small window?).

Very obviously, desktop users would benefit from all these enhancements as well, so please remove this artifical distinction. Wikipedia is one community!

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

This is a problem, I agree, also for mobile users.

For example I have been trying to participate in a WMF "mockup" of a tool that will supposedly replace "wiki-blame", and only after spending (wasting?) precious time figured out WMF has no intention of making it available for non-desktop devices. Apparently the use of mobile devices never even crossed the minds of the developers.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

That's not true; they did consider mobile users. They have posted an explanation for why the current project is a browser extension, how that interacts with mobile devices (namely, Chrome for Android doesn't support any browser extensions), and their goal is to make it technologically possible for the code to run on Firefox for Android, i.e., on a mobile device.

Note also that the older version isn't going away, because lots of people are unable to install browser extensions (e.g., students using school computers).

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There are some differences in device power, and the screen size is very important for the design. A typical laptop screen can have many tools displayed in a single row, and a smartphone might have room for just five (approximately one small button for every 20 mm in screen width). Additionally, the interactions with soft keyboards require separate programming.

Is there anything in particular that you would like to see on both platforms?

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Visual editor for mobile translators

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Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

Hi all, I only make translations using my laptop and standard html interface but i have bought a tablette recently. Is is worth to use the tablette instead ? is the version stable enough ? or are there specific functions to test there ?

Christian Wia (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

I just accessed the mobile version to do my translations; but there is no lateral bar, less functions so, only one alert/notification icon. I prefer the laptop version for now.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The visual editor doesn't fully support Extension:Translate, so I can't recommend it for that purpose.

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Opsylac (talkcontribs)

Hi,

I have the Wikipedia mobile app and the visual editor isn't accessible there... Will this feature be available soon ?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Probably not. I don't think that the mobile apps team is planning to create any sort of visual editing system.

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Hockew (talkcontribs)
Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Columns are usually difficult for mobile layouts. They need to be dynamic (able to change the number of columns) to fit onto mobile screens.

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