User talk:PPelberg (WMF)

Would it be possible that when you're hovering over the three dots that stand on the right top of comments here on Mediawiki talk pages, when you get the tooltip, the comment which you're acting on also gets highlighted? It would make it easier for the eyes to see where you're acting on.

Wasn't sure where to exactly ask for this.

Talk:Structured Discussions is probably the right place, but since Flow isn't under active development, it probably doesn't matter where you post it.

Hello!

I can't be 100% sure and I lack the courage to replicate the procedure currently to test it out because I'm not a regular on that page but when I created a thread here, I wasn't auto-subscribed. Is that maybe because the request goes through that template first? (Click the big blue button.) Is that intended?

hi @Klein Muçi! When you started a new discussion on meta:Talk:SWViewer, do you remember if you used the New Discussion Tool or the WikiEditor?

I ask because if you used the WikiEditor to start a new discussion, that would explain why you weren't auto-subscribed.

Note: you asking this question was the prompt I needed to update the help documentation :)

Auto-subscription is lacking from WikiLove-started sections in SqWiki as well. You can try that yourself by going at whatever user page in SqWiki, pressing the red heart and following the procedure however you want.

(This isn't a big deal though.)

...WikiLove-started sections in SqWiki as well

@Klein Muçi can you share a link to a page that contains the kind of section you're describing above? My first instinct was to visit your user page, but I didn't see anything after a quick glance :)

Hello! As I found out during these days, the problem is the same in both cases and goes beyond auto-subscription. Neither of the discussion tools' features (auto-subscription, auto-signing, etc.) works when you use extensions or templates to start the discussions. Take a look at this conversation here and you'll see the details of what I mean together with an existing phab ticket that tackles with the problem partially.

To put it simply, if you use extension like InputBox (which is what I used in meta:Talk:SWViewer), WikiLove, etc. to start a new discussion, all the aforementioned features are lost. At least in the first post, then in the following answers the normal workflow returns and the tool functions normally.

To put it even more simply, "make discussion tools compatible with extensions that start discussions like InputBox, WikiLove, etc."

Hi, PPelberg (WMF) having received your message on my userpage on the en:wikipedia, I noticed I cannot edit Topic on Talk:Talk pages project. Should I react on your userpage then? Thank you for your time. ~~~~

hi @Lotje – thanks for taking the time to ask! I assume you're asking where to respond to the question in the most recent Editing Team newsletter about memorable talk page experiences?

If so, the best place to react is by adding a reply to this thread: Topic:V8d91yh8gcg404dj

Please let me know if you have any other questions...

@Lotje thank you for sharing your experience! I moved the comment you posted to have its own reply...I hope that was ok :)

Hi! Can you mark Help:DiscussionTools for translation, so I can translate it into french, please?

Regards,

Peter doesn't have the necessary user rights. I've marked it up, and it's ready for you to translate now.

Thanks @Whatamidoing (WMF). Did you see my questions on fr-wp? I don't mean to insist (nothing urgent), just checking if you saw it.

(Sorry for squatting your talk page, Peter.)

Hi, please see this ticket: phabricator:T282846 Thanks.

@Martin Urbanec (WMF), Peter will probably see your ping on Phab, but as a general rule of thumb, as long as the wiki doesn't use a million templates (like the English Wiktionary) or use Extension:Proofread Page (the Wikisources), then the Editing team doesn't object. You should wait for an official reply, but I think you could safely start writing your patch while you're waiting. :-D

@Whatamidoing (WMF) Thank you very much for the information. Replying for my volunteer account, as I don't work on this ticket in my WMF contractor capacity.

Hi, For a reason I do not understand this Sophivorus: Hi! Wouldn't it be nice to add a [thank button next to the [reply] button] showed up in my notifications. What's really weird is that I already see a thanks button there, but not a reply button

Sophivorous marked the thread as resolved, which removes the reply options in Flow. (It's similar to those colored boxes that the English Wikipedia puts around "closed" discussions.) If you want to re-open the thread, then click on the three dots ••• menu next to the thread's star, and re-open in.

@Whatamidoing:

Thanks for both your replies to random questions I asked. Since I know you are truly interested in feedback:

I have the memory of a flea, and have after years of using the wiki-text developed a method (that I am still working on) of how to find answers to questions that I asked on various wmf-wikis and received good reponses for. So the problem I have now, is how to find my way back to these two answers you just provided, when the road-marks around here keep changing. I got here now by using my notifications at the top of the page, but I understand from another thread I have participated on in the last month or so that notifications are not maintained and are being deleted (I think the last number I heard was anything older than 2,000).

I sure hope I made sense because if you answer me later , I may not see your response. thanks again for all the great work you do around wmf.

BTW I just clicked on the ... and nothing hppens

When you click on the ••• menu (the one just under the star, not the ones next to each message), you should see a dropdown menu that says "History, Permalink, Edit the topic summary, Reopen the topic". Clicking the last item re-opens the topic.

Thanks for persisting @Whatamidoing (WMF). I already forgot what my initial problem was but, I think, I refreshed my memory after checking the thread above, and I see what you mean today. By tomorrow I'll probably forget again, but maybe others will remember if they are interested.

Much appreciated.

I happened to run into old discussion and saw you insert text from a previous post using Green text at: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vu677lvei5djiprb&topic_showPostId=vujqrrp6lhr6hidt#flow-post-vujqrrp6lhr6hidt

I liked this so much I decided to see how you did it, so clicked the View history tab on top of the page to locate your edit but, lo and behold, your edit was made on September 17, 2020 but the history goes back only to 18 September 2020. Is there a way to go further back than that? Thanks in advance,

Also in case this is of interest to you @PPelberg (WMF), I have just clicked on the history of another page where I had contributed content just before, and had to edit it for an obvious mistake ,which I would have detected had I had the option of previewing it, but the history does not show any of my recent coontributions.

He used the {{Tq}} template to make the text green. You can see this in the wikitext if you click the three dots menu ••• at the top of his individual comment, and switch to the wikitext mode (pencil icon next to the blue Reply button) if you're in the visual mode. Flow is not in active development, so I don't think that previews will be added.

@Whatamidoing (WMF) Re template:Tq :

I was hoping to find your answer again when the need arose on another wmf-wiki. Unfortunately it appears not to exist there. Some day maybe the wmf will put a package together of all useful templates with documentation for those wikis that don't have the manpower to write/document/maintain/export templates.

Thanks

I think the thinking has been going the other direction (for simpler uses, like text formatting): Instead of spreading templates, why not make things easier to do in wikitext?

@ Whatamidoing (WMF)

Do you mean Structured data across Wikimedia?

No, that's something else. To use the template we're talking about ("Tq"), the thinking is more like: Why should anyone have to use a template for that? Why not use the existing works-everywhere <mark> tag (which highlights: example) or create a class (similar to the "class=wikitable" that we put at the start of all tables) that works everywhere?

I always thought the use of html tags was discouraged on wmf-wikis?

The software doesn't care, and most editors don't usually care for most syntax, either. I wouldn't recommend it for tables (before wikitext tables were created, using HTML codes was the only way to create a table, and it is very ugly), and I'd expect editors to swap out bold and italics, but for the most part, I don't think people care.

A bit late but I have answered the remarks : https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vngou5jl7zz66ycr&topic_showPostId=vnocpy9nohsxivfx#flow-post-vnocpy9nohsxivfx

Hello Peter!

The graph you've shown in a comment is very useful: phab:T255785#6241517

I wonder how that can be accessed? The link above seems to ask for credentials.

hey @Aron Manning, right?

To access Superset (the tool I used to generate that graph), you'll need to be added to either one of the following groups: wmf or nda.^[1]

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1. "To access Superset, you need wmf or nda LDAP access. For more details, see Analytics/Data access#LDAP access.

If you have that access, you can log in at superset.wikimedia.org with your developer shell username and password."

The username/credentials are from your wikitech: account. If that doesn't work, then it means that you need to get (legal) approval. Some of the information in that system is protected on privacy grounds.

Thanks, @Whatamidoing (WMF)! I'm only interested in the usages stats. Signing legal documents is not really in my interest ;-)

Hello, As a translater to your Edit newsletter, I’d love to also support you make the Talk_project page multilingual. Would you kindly consider tweaking that page for i18n perhaps? Of course above is not very very urgent, and readers may not have more time at hand to input. Wish you safety, and hang in there, --Omo

hi @Omotecho – we'd be thrilled for you to help us make the Talk pages project multilingual! What do you think we can do to make that work easier for you?

PPelberg (WMF) I, too, am excited you are reaching out to expanded readership. As for translation, two (plus two) points:

• please always separate section title from the body text: translators can finish at least section titles while on bus/lunch break, and community will grab the outline as you always have essence in section title;
• kindly break your writing into 30-50 words clusters, or insert translation tags that way. Longer it goes more vulnerable to discourage somebody to start working on it;
• too technical, though, tvar tags are very good as links are less broken by simple misspelling by translators;
• and finally, I have not checked its feasibility, though please consider applying a trick, Special:Mylanguage/ before any link to multilingual projects. Plain link jumps to /en page, while with that trick, readers start at /local_language pages, with /en as fall-back. One extra click-less feeels sooo good and being invited.

So, those are a memo which of course needs triage. Thank you indeed to care for the community, and we won’t be here without you guys.