2017 wikitext editor/Feedback

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Post your feedback about using the first iteration of the 2017 wikitext editor as a Beta Feature. While you can disable it by unchecking the New wikitext mode checkbox in your Preferences (Beta tab), the Contributors team welcomes your feedback and ideas, especially on user interface decisions and the priorities for adding new features. All comments are read, in any language, but personal replies are not guaranteed. You can learn how to structure well your submission.

If you are reporting a problem directly on this page, please include your web browser, computer operating system, and wiki skin (usually Vector, sometimes Monobook). Also, while editing to reproduce a problem, please try to append &safemode=1 at the end of the URL; if the problem disappears, you are using a gadget or script that interferes with the editor.

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Aliresajavann (talkcontribs)

This Feature can not be disable. I Uncheck this and the save but still is enable, I using on Persian Wikipedia.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry that it's not working correctly for you. Please see Topic:Tqfykem25c0vupuu.

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Wikitext editor misbehaving (for long lines?)

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Summary by Kaartic
Kaartic (talkcontribs)

Screencast

The wikitext editor seems to be misbehaving for long lines by not editing in the place pointed to by the edit cursor.

The section of concern: M:Reports#Global_activities particularly the "WMF" row of the table.

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Cannot disable the editor

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Summary by Elitre (WMF)

User figured it out!

Biochemistry&Love (talkcontribs)

After first enabling the feature, I've been unable to disable it again. That includes hitting the "Restore all default settings (in all sections)" button, and ensuring that all of the features under the Beta section are unchecked. I still see "Edit Source" when I go to edit, and am prompted about the visual editor. Any ideas?

Browser: Firefox

OS: Windows10

Wiki Skin: Vector

Update: even more interesting! The "Edit Source" option has disappeared, and I am no longer prompted. Wiki highlighting isn't coming up. Seems like there was some kind of delay.

Update 2: Wiki highlighting still isn't coming up. Attempted to remedy by closing reopening browser and logging out/in of Wikipedia. Problem persists.

Update 3: Resolved! It looks like hitting that initial restore default also turned off the syntax highlighter gadget! How easy it is to take little things like that for granted. So, the only real issue was the delay between the disabling of the feature.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the helpful updates.  :-)

Biochemistry&Love (talkcontribs)

My pleasure! (:

Epok (talkcontribs)

I reopen this subject as I have the same problem about being unable to disable this editor... I would like to do so for now, but the above workaround of restoring all settings is not acceptable to me.

Browser: Firefox Quantum (57.0.1) - 64 bits

OS: Windows 10 (latest insider version: 1709 - 17046.10000) - 64 bits

WP skin details: Vector - no custom template (existing, but empty).

YjM (talkcontribs)

I had the same issue (Firefox Quantum (57.0.2) 64b @ Win10, wikistyle Vector).

What worked for me was disabling all Beta features and the editor has immediately switched back to the old wikitext editor.

May it will help someone.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Epok, have you turned off all the Beta Features (the last tab), and then saved your prefs? Did that work for you?

Epok (talkcontribs)

@Whatamidoing (WMF), Yes, it worked! I cleared all checks on the beta feature page, and saved, and it worked. I was then able to reactivate other beta features I wanted. Thanks!

Force Radical (talkcontribs)

Can the support for editnotices be improved both the visual editor and this editor, currently the tiny Notice! box cannot handle even the simplest customised notices

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I am guessing that by "handle" you mean one of the issues already described on Phabricator. If not, feel free to elaborate. TY!

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Force Radical, is the notice you're talking about using table formatting (in the underlying templates), and therefore already displaying badly for every user on a smartphone? Editnotices such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:TFA-editnotice need to be re-designed so that they work for everyone, regardless of screen size and shape. (It's largely a matter of making the icon float as an image, rather than requiring an entire column to itself – not a difficult change, but people have to choose to do it.)

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A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver (talkcontribs)

It is not possible to edit a redirect page with this editor, you will infact be redirected to whatever article it points to.

Using chrome, vector wiki skin, this should be easy to reproduce since I wasn't using any scripts. the problem was gone the moment i turned this new editor off in beta settings.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Italia&redirect=no&veaction=editsource works for me - I only tried in Safari though. (Where you trying to edit a protected redirect, by chance?)

86.176.247.36 (talkcontribs)

I didn't think to check, i got anther user to remove the redirect do i could edit the article. acton castle

Epok (talkcontribs)

I have the exact same problem. When I try to edit a redirect, I'm automatically redirected to the target page for edition. The page is not protected.

Using the above workaround though (direct link with "action=editsource"), it works, but this is a big issue if we have to manually enter the URL...

The problem happens on the french WP for me.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Epok, please provide specific page of example, browser, operating system and WP skin details. Merci!

Epok (talkcontribs)

The problem appears with any redirect page (though I only tested it with templates for now), such as this page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mod%C3%A8le:Utilisateur_Biblioth%C3%A9caire&redirect=no.

Browser: Firefox Quantum (57.0.1) - 64 bits

OS: Windows 10 (latest insider version: 1709 - 17046.10000) - 64 bits

WP skin details: Vector - no custom template (existing, but empty).

Thanks for replying so quickly!

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Jdforrester (WMF) commented here on what's the expected behavior.

Again, I can't reproduce, as in, when I click on the URL you provided, no matter if I use the 2017 or the 2010 wikitext editor, I always end up editing "Modèle:Utilisateur Bibliothécaire". I'm in Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit) now.

I see that yet another task on this topic has been opened. @Deskana (WMF), I guess we need to investigate more.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Ok, I believe Diwas helped us crack this open.

Kaartic (talkcontribs)

I could reproduce the same issue with an alternative flow.

Steps to reproduce

  1. Open Italia redirect page.
  2. Hold the Ctrl key (or it's equivalent).
  3. Tap on the Edit Source link. This should try to open the link in a new tab (which works at least in FF and Chrome)

Expected results

The Italia redirect page is loaded for source editing in the new tab (at least in browsers that support the shortcut)

Actual results

The Italy page is loaded for source editing.

Hypothesis

This seems to be because the Edit Source link in a redirect page doesn't contain the &redirect=no fragment in it.

Notes

  1. This doesn't happen with the Edit link which also doesn't have the &redirect=no fragment in it.
  2. I have the Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta option unchecked
Kaartic (talkcontribs)

OK, it seems this is essentially task T181110.

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Cannot select the page title

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Summary by Whatamidoing (WMF)
Ash Crow (talkcontribs)

If I am in edit mode, the page title is greyed out and I cannot even select it to copy it.

Epok (talkcontribs)

Same problem here: this is a problem for template edition, when I frequently have to copy-paste the title. As a workaround, I use the URL part that contains the title, but I have to manually edit it since it contains "_" in place of spaces and some special characters are in HTML coding. Being able to select the title is a must-have feature. I'll track the phabricator task for updates.

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Balajijagadesh (talkcontribs)

In the new wikitext editor the edittools from the mediawiki:edittools in not appearing below the edit window in Tamil wikisource. Hence it is very difficult to use the frequently used markups.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Balajijagadesh, you may use the special characters menu for most purposes. It opens by clicking on the Omega sign. It can stay open as long as you wish. It has a Symbols section. Furthermore, you can actually customise it at the wiki level: this means you can put at the top of it a series of symbols, characters etc. that are locally very used. You can learn how to do that at VisualEditor/Special characters. You can see how it looks like on other wikis from that page, I added 3 screenshots there for you. Hope this helps.

Balajijagadesh (talkcontribs)

Hi,

Thanks for the detailed reply. In addition to the symbols, the edittools page may also contain wikicodes, templates, etc like it is in this page https://ta.wikisource.org/s/1uu5 It would be very useful if there is way to add these codes in the edit box with less number of clicks. in the usual editor when we click edit the edittools are there right below the edit box. hence it is easy to add them in a single click. And also it is clearly visible to every one. But if all these are hidden in a omega symbol in the 2017 wikitext editor, then editor is going to be very difficult.

Regards

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There isn't currently a way to display frequently used templates. (I added a comment here though https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96710#3758967, FWIW.)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

All of that could be added to the Special Characters menu, although I would encourage you to add only the things that are truly most needed (i.e., nothing that's already available from another button or through Insert > Template).

You only have to click the Omega symbol once. It stays open until you close it. Also, it stays visible at the top of the screen, so you don't have to keep scrolling up and down to see it.

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Chermago (talkcontribs)

After typing in one sentence, I can watch the letters appear one by one over the course of half a minute or so.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Chermago, thanks for your comment. That's not how it's supposed to work, of course. Mind sharing an example? Browser, operating system, skin? Getting the console log would likely help terribly, here.

Chermago (talkcontribs)

Well, it appears to be related to JavaScript execution in general being a little slow over here (old machine, two big browsers, quite an amount of open tabs), and this new editor being much more JS-heavy. Because, frankly, also the traditional editor is quite slow, but not nearly as slow. From time to time some random script goes rampage and keeps one CPU thread at 100 % load. Then it's really devastating if responsiveness depends on executing some (competing) JavaScript.

Debenben (talkcontribs)

For me, they appear about 1/10th of a second after pressing a button and that is already very annoying because one is used to them being visible instantly.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Chermago, is there any chance that you're using Safari 11? I've been having problems with it. The Activity Monitor shows that the memory is slammed every day or two.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Oh, and would you mind trying something else? Try editing a page with &safemode=1 added to the end of the URL. If you have your prefs set to two tabs (not everyone does), then https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plötzlicher_Kindstod?veaction=editsource&safemode=1 should work. This will put your account in safemode, and if things are quite a bit better that way, then we have a better idea of where to look for the problem.

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Undo's and popup reverts don't work

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Summary by Whatamidoing (WMF)
Some Gadget Geek (talkcontribs)

Hello everyone!

One of the things I do a lot on Wikipedia is reverting edits, either because it is vandalism/disruptive or the revision before was better, etc. Although I have both rollback and Twinkle, I also use the revert tool in the popups and the undo link that everybody has access to, generally if I want to undo one or two particular changes while keeping others. However, with the 2017 wikitext editor I find that neither undo nor popup reverts work as they did before. Could anyone investigate and consider repairing this flaw soon?

Many thanks,

SGG

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi! Your username looks very relevant here :) If you're talking about this tool, you need to investigate with its maintainers about why it may not be working as you'd expect. I am not sure about the undo links - a simple revert to last edition seems to work fine to me, but most importantly I believe that its interface is actually the same than the 2010 wikitext editor one, so if there's a problem there it's not due to the newest editor?

Some Gadget Geek (talkcontribs)

Hi Elitre,

The undo function actually brings me back to the 2010 editing box, as you stated. But besides this, there seems to be no other way to access the old window. If I, say, go to an old revision of a page (for example, this instance in which a user blanked an article page) and click "edit" there (expecting to see an empty editor without any content), the 2017 editor loads the current revision, which is not what I expect. So it can't possibly have to do with just the popups, although I did post in that talk page (Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups). I do really like the 2017 editing UI and don't want to be forced back to the 2010 UI so I hope someone can look into this problem soon.

Best,

SGG

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

SGG, I think you've found a VisualEditor/Single edit tab problem with the blank page/wrong revision. Can you please go to w:en:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and tell me what your "Editing mode" is? For example, mine is set to "Show me both tabs".

By the way, if you ever need to open a page in the 2010 WikiEditor, then you can hand-edit the URL to say &action=submit (rather than &action=edit ).

Some Gadget Geek (talkcontribs)

Mine's is set to "show me both tabs" as well. Although at first I did not use the Visual Editor much, it has improved to the extent that I am now using it as much as the old editor. But there are still a couple of things that I get done using the old editor faster (especially making wiki-links), so it's highly unlikely that I will change my editing mode setting in the near future.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thanks. I think I've figured out where that &action=edit was coming from. Perhaps that's part of the problem.

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Text and selection are shifted

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Summary by Elitre (WMF)
Debenben (talkcontribs)

I just tried the new wikitext editor. The first article I tried to edit was [https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schwarzschild-Metrik&diff=170902272&oldid=170628851]. Unfortunately the text seemed to be not in the right place, so when I selected and typed something it appeared approximately two lines below (I took some screenshots which I can upload in case they help). Also it did not tell me that I deleted the first line of the table, neither in the editor nor in the preview, I could only see it the diff-view In general it feels very bad, because in this particular case which happened to be my first test for a while, the editor was unusable, the preview was not what it looks like afterwards in the article and the only way to tell is to save it and revert it afterwards in case it broke something. Apart from that it is terribly slow, one always has to klick again on something before being able to edit the edit-summary or something in the text. While I like the idea of being able to switch to the visual editor and autocompletion for the citation templates, it seems to be very far away from being able to replace the old editor.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

HI @Debenben. I'd be glad to take a closer look at your issue. Can you say which browser, operating system and skin you have? Also, more specific steps to reproduce would be very welcome. Have you tried using keyboard shortcuts? They do wonders for people who are annoyed by extra clicks.

Debenben (talkcontribs)

debian stretch + firefox + vector skin

I tried it again and it is reproducible. The steps are

  • enable new wikitext-modus
  • go to Schwarzschild-Metrik
  • click on "Quelltext bearbeiten" (edit source)
  • press ctrl+f
  • search for "mit dem Term"

and you will see that the selection is already two lines above the actual text

Debenben (talkcontribs)

I had a closer look at the problem again and it appears only in combination with the new syntax-highlighting beta feature. Apart from a few glitches (e.g. w:de:Wikipedia:Umfragen/Konzept für mathematische Formeln the escaped chem tag inside the template) it always worked well in the old editor and I like the more discrete and consistent choice of colors, but does not seem to work together with the new one. One can notice a wrong positioning of the cursor with respect to the text starting from about the first ref tag and the red spell-checking marks are completely off.

Elitre (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I have also had some issues and also suspected it was tied to syntax-highlighting, but I still can't reproduce (also, one of my browsers is not up to date and I thought that could be the real reason). I can file a task anyway. What's the FF version? Thanks.

Debenben (talkcontribs)

It was version 52.4.0, I just updated to 52.5.0 deactivated all addons, went to the Italian Wikipedia where I did not change any settings and appended the &safemode=1 and it is still not working.

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