User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)

Proszę o pomoc w jęż. polskim w przygotowaniu hasła, jestem na etapie przypisów w brudnopisie i mam do umieszczenia jeszcze linki, ile mogę dać linkowań: są to filmy, audycje radiowe, teksty prasowe itp.

pozdrawiam, ````, k.kuzborska@artwroc.com

Dzień dobry! Konta o nazwie SGrabarczuk (WMF) używam wyłącznie do spraw związanych z moją pracą w Wikimedia Foundation.

Pomoc w przygotowaniu haseł nie jest sprawą tego typu. Polecam skontaktować się z przewodnikiem, najlepiej przypisanym Ci Jamnikiem z Tarnowa.

Hi, did you see the comment I left there: m:User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF) ?

Best regards

Yes, of course! Thank you for that. Your comment is really good, useful, clearly honest, very far from disheartening. Also, my apologies for this late reply. I'm right back after Easter holidays.

As you could have noticed, we've replaced that prototype with a different one, so some of your (good) tips weren't relevant anymore. Also, improving some imperfections was not reasonable. This was meant to be just a prototype and work insofar as it was about the header.

In principle though, you were right. A lot of users did write about parts of the prototype we weren't asking for. This means those people have invested their (precious, because belonging to volunteers) time not as effectively as they could. On the other hand, this wasn't wasted effort because we read everything.

Also, thank you for your discussion on German-language Wikibooks. The improvements will never work or look properly if there's no help from the local community, and I'm really glad you're being proactive. It's rather uncommon.

Good, I wasn't sure, since I was searching for your "home"-wiki :-).

So, did I understand correctly, you already asked for feedback? Because I didn't see a message somewhere in german wikis. Why did you ask for german translation then? When I found the feedback-Site, which btw seems not to be linked properly from the feedback-question-site, I saw, there seems to be no german feedback?

No, I didn't realize, that you replaced the prototype. I just took a look. Hmm... Would you like more feedback by me?

Regarding the wasted effort, wasn't this double wasted effort then? Because the feedback was given about things not asked, and next you read everything you are actually not interested in?

To be totally honest, I'm proactive, because I think the communities are probably not given a real choice. On the other hand, there's always a thin line between (speaking from a community perspective): "We really don't like the STUFF" and "we really don't like the NEW stuff" (although it's more than necessary). Though it's not that hard to be proactive at the moment, because right now I'm liking pretty much what I see about the new skin. I'm highly sceptical to your prototype though. Some nice Ideas but mostly just cosmetics. As I said, I'd be happy to give feedback if you like, I'm under the impression, that it's too late to do it the meant-to-be-way.

There is a really big point on building a new interface: mobil access AND(!) editing. At the moment both is really hard! The normality right now at our wiki is, almost nobody is paying attention how mobile devices are used. Some users even write code to switch to desktop view by default, when clicking a link on top of a page. That is a bad sign, if the desktop-Version is deemed more usable on mobile. So I have high hopes for the new vector!

I'm sorry, it got a little long, feel free to ask for more... I'd be happy to

Regards

@HirnSpuk, thanks for this reply! I'd just like you to know that I'll read and answer to this next Tuesday (April 13th) as I'll be out of office until Monday.

Alright, I'm sorry for the delay. Here are my answers:

1. You haven't seen a message anywhere in German wikis, because we've decided to split the feedback rounds. We've finished the first round already. English and German users will notice the banners soon, within two weeks.
2. Before we released the prototype, we made a decision: this is not ideal, doesn't look exactly like real wiki pages, but it's good enough. It's just a temporary, disposable tool. The feedback and how we use it is the crucial part. This is why I haven't asked for more opinions about the prototype itself.
3. Regarding the double wasted feedback you mention... I prefer to take advantage of whatever feedback we receive. When volunteers say they're confused by the limited width or something else, it means we need to explain the decision better, review something, improve something. It's not like I only read what I'm interested in, no way!
4. Yes, mobile editing does require more effort. We'd like to make Vector more responsive. In parallel, other teams of the Foundation are and will be working on the dedicated support for mobile.

Until what date will officially take place collecting feedback on the Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Second prototype testing/Feedback?

P.S. Someone left a review on the talk page Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Second prototype testing - they also need to be taken into account

Thank you for your notice! I've pasted that comment in the correct feedback page.

You can always add your opinions on the main talk page of the project. I read each comment even if I don't give any answer.

I have posted a link to collect feedback in the news and hot topics template in one of the wiki projects. I looked at the pages here and could not find when this feedback collection will end. Maybe you know until what date the banner for this feedback collection will be shown on all wikis?

The banner was never shown on all wikis - it was on selected wikis only. Secondly, I de-activated it earlier today. We've reached a sufficient number of answers (180 is enough for now). So while I appreciate the fact that you've posted the link, I must say we've miscommunicated. A few more comments will do no harm, but it's not like we are still asking and waiting for more opinions.

It's okay. The link has been shown to Wikipedians since April 1 (like the banner). Since the banner is now disabled, I have now removed the link from our news template. Thanks.

Thank you for being helpful! This is most valuable here. If I need to contact Russian Wikipedia, I'll bear your user name in mind.

Hi,

I'm sorry dude but this page is terrible. New Section button doesn't properly work; I had to add my feedback by manually source editing. We users posting feedback have to wrestle each other to add our posts, as they often fall into conflicts, due to simultaneous publishing. Page gets occasionally messed up, because of all of this too.

May I suggest using Discussion pages for posting feedback next time, since there's a working "Add Discussion" button in those? Or reviewing the system to post feedback.

Thank you for your notice. The New Section button should allow us to avoid edit conflicts because it always adds new lines to the text, just as in village pumps/bars, or requests to admins.

Do you maybe remember what you did, step by step, that turn out not to be working?

Anyway, I've added a magic word displaying "Add topic" for those who might have similar issues as you've had.

I attempted this multiple times before because of the problems I had, and this is what I experienced: Pressing "Add topic" before would keep opening the whole page in Visual Editing mode on my side, instead of opening the editor to add a topic. Sometimes, it would open up a Edit Section mode instead, but when I used that to post my feedback, it overwrote the whole page and I had to quickly revert. In the end, I manually posted my feedback by editing the page with the Source Editor (because when I used the Visual Editor, it didn't post the whole section of mine, but just the last row).

Now, it seems to be alright, as it opens up a page similar to when adding discussions, in Source mode.

I suspect something similar might have happened to others too, as the page has been occasionally messed up (at some point there was even a random user sign on top of the main module!).

The added magic word is reliable instead.

I've never had any problems in any other parts of MediaWiki or Wikipedia. I've been creating, translating and editing a variety of articles for wikipedia, posted plenty of feedback for the Wikipedia Translations project, and partaken in some other discussions on MediaWIki, and I've never encountered these strange behaviors.

Hi SGrabarczuk (WMF),

Just to remind you we are still expecting an answer at your posting on https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Village_pump, Regards,