Topic on User talk:Clump

Kleshkreikne (talkcontribs)

Hi, I just wanna know why you undid my edits on the user warning templates. In my opinion, saying "hello" to every user warning templaes especially in the level 3 and 4 templates would hurt the user more because the user would do more harm than good if he says hello. This is meant to be more serious, not more relaxed.

Clump (talkcontribs)

Hello. Your sentence/logic is not clear, but to address what I think you are asking: I don't agree that the politeness interferes with or devalues the message, nor is it the intention of those templates to hurt the user. It is possible to be serious and still be polite.

Pppery (talkcontribs)

I've restored Kleshkreikne's edit. I see no reason to go out of one's way to be polite to vandals. And user warning templates really don't need to exist on this wiki anyway.

Clump (talkcontribs)

Please do not do that. Those templates would/should presumably be used to inform people when there is some doubt. While there's no need to be especially polite to vandals, as you indicate, those are also the cases when the templates are not necessary. I don't see a need to remove/reduce the textual politeness of templates that are specifically aimed at cases when the user's intention is ambiguous.

Pppery (talkcontribs)

{{Uw-vandalism1}} is aimed at cases when the user's intention is ambiguous. The others aren't. Or at least that's how it works on the English Wikipedia.

Clump (talkcontribs)

If the intention is unambiguous then there's no need to use a template, and that logic follows through all levels of the template. If someone bothers to use a template then they're trying to be informative, and in those cases the inclusion of a greeting merely follows common communication protocol. I don't see any need to change it, and do not agree with a motivation of trying to "hurt" the recipient by being less polite, however absurd the idea that removing "Hello" achieves that goal may be.

If you want to delete the templates altogether that would make sense. Beyond that I would appreciate you restoring the status quo prior to seeking some form of consensus from others for the change.

Pppery (talkcontribs)

Fine. I've reverted my edits. I'm still not convinced this is anything other than faux friendliness, but this is not worth spending more effort arguing about.