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As sugested @AKlapper (WMF), I'm back to know more about phabricator. Here is my questions :

Can you tell me about how decisions are usually taked on phabricator ?

Is there a certain hierarchy here, or the consensus is always the target of discussion as on many Wikimedia Projets ?

For instance, on pedagogical wikimedia project, if some one want to create a page to put a list of something, that's fine even if the page is not use frequently after. But It look different on phabricator. This plateform is not a Wiki, dus new tag page seems to be created by a specific personne. So;

Is there a user list categorized by right on phabricator ? Something equivalente to Special:ListGroupRights ?

Thanls,

@Lionel Scheepmans Hi, how decisions are taken depends on the task, the type of task, and the project(s) of the task - there is no general answer to that.

For permissions, see Phabricator/Permissions.

Ok. And do you know if there is a place where I can found specific answers for all specific sub questions of my general question? Or maybe that's here? One question by one?

I'm not sure there are always general answers to your questions (if I understand them correctly)... I think in many cases the answer will be "it depends". That place might be here, or maybe also on the wikitech-l mailing list.

Also, we can start with the specific case of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330600. In this case for instance, how the decision of creating or not a tag for wikibooks or fr.wikibooks task could be done? Consensus? Vote to majority? You are the one who decide after discussion ? Or maybe you have to decide with other persons from outside the discussion? Other phab admin? Or wmf employee? As Wikimedia projects https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights show me the distribution of technical tool and dus techical powers, but not political ones. Do you understand my question and interest?

Basically by discussion and convincing arguments that rule out what I'm afraid of by creating more and more such tags. We don't vote; "wmf employee" is irrelevant here. I'm afraid that de-facto it's "me" currently, though I'd be fine if some other admin said that this is a good idea and goes ahead here.

See especially https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330600#8647044 why I am worried of categorizing for the sake of categorizing only, plus worried of decreasing long-term commitment to use such project tags, plus worried of people adding such tags just because something happened on a Wikibooks instance though the described problem is not at all Wikibooks-specific. I want to see well-described use cases and commitment before creating more such project tags as they come with a cost: The more tags there are, the less likely someone will find relevant tags anymore, plus things get noisy.

Ok @AKlapper (WMF), I've lived you a message on phabricator concerning the issue of T330600#8647044. For the rest and concerning the governance, that's look more like a consensus without a vote, which is just as well. As long as everyone is not convinced of a task we continue the discussion until the abandonment or the adoption, it is a little bit that in the case taken in example not?

For the rest, have you ever been faced with a situation in which you had to exercise a certain amount of authority due to your status as an employee? And do you know if there a certain kind of hierachy in the governance of phabricator ? I mean, some situation where someone can impose his will in some way? (be free to aswer or not, it's just to satisfy my curiosity as a socio-anthropologist...)

What does "governance" mean specifically? Some folks are admins, some folks have more permissions than others. Same on wikis... See my previous comment.

I'm not sure either what "impose their will" means... again, hard to generalize. I hope my potential "authority" is not based on being some "employee" but arguments and experience.

Ok. So as editorial projects, phabricator looks like a complexe organisation in terme of décision making.

I've not enough experience on phabricator to tell you if yes or not your potential "authority" is based on being some "employee" or arguments and experience. Probably both of them and I hope like you more from argument and experience. Thanks for your answers !