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phab:T254366: Add @ mention affordance to visual mode's toolbar

phab:T252083: Treat links to user pages differently than normal wikilinks

Version 2.0 testing feedback

TASK #4: What are your initial impressions of the tool? What stands out to you? Do you find something particularly eye-catching? Confusing?

It's easy to understand.

TASK #5: Could you figure out how to write and style a comment in the tool's visual mode do so? What did you think of this experience?

I understand how to do so but the drop-down menu for the formattings should only have an arrow or a … icon and an arrow because it's not for all formattings but for more formattings.

TASK #6: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

First I did not understand how to do this. Then I guessed that I have to type an @ and it was right. This might be more confusing to existing than to new users because new users know how to ping users in internet forums and can do the same here but existing users know that @Username is not enough to ping someone. There needs to be a text that informs about this feature.

TASK #7: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has not commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

It's not more difficult than TASK #6.

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to delete the ping you created in Task #7? What did you think of this experience?

Yes, you just put the cursor at the end of the ping and press backspace unitll the ping is deleted, right?

# 8.5:

Changing the username will not change the pinged user but the displayed username, same problem as when changing birth dates users often forget to change the link target.

TASK #9: Could you figure out how to see the comment you were writing in the visual mode, in the source mode before posting the comment to the talk page? What – if any – part the wikitext looked different from how you expected?

It looked like expected.

TASK #10: Could you figure out how to post the comment you had written in Tasks #1 - #9 to the talk page?

Yes

TASK #11: Does the diff you created by posting a comment look as you expected? What – if anything – were you surprised to see?

The example picture broke it

TASK #12:

Yes

OVERALL: If there are other comments or questions you would like to make the team aware of, please write them here.

We appreciate you giving the new tool a try and sharing the feedback you have with us here, @FF-11.

Some follow up questions and comments for you below...

Follow up questions

The example picture broke it

Are you able to share a link to the "example picture" you tried posting? Also, when you "broke" are you able to describe in a bit more detail what you saw happen?

I understand how to do so but the drop-down menu for the formattings should only have an arrow or a … icon and an arrow because it's not for all formattings but for more formattings.

Interesting...can you think of another tool/interface that you think does a good job communicating this "more formattings" point?

Comments

First I did not understand how to do this. Then I guessed that I have to type an @ and it was right. This might be more confusing to existing than to new users because new users know how to ping users in internet forums and can do the same here but existing users know that @Username is not enough to ping someone.

You described this clearly. Ideally, the icon we are adding to the toolbar will help make the pinging feature easier for existing editors to understand. Here is the ticket where this work will happen: phab:T254366.

Yes, you just put the cursor at the end of the ping and press backspace unitll the ping is deleted, right?

Exactly. Not a trick question :)

Changing the username will not change the pinged user but the displayed username, same problem as when changing birth dates users often forget to change the link target.

Good call. To avoid the scenario you described (a link's target and text getting "out of sync), we will be making an adjustment to what is presented when user links in the Reply tool's visual mode are selected. You can see what we have in mind here: phab:T252083.

The example picture broke it

The example picture File:Example.jpg that was inserted by someone else in the page before I did the test. Because of it the comments by Geraki, me (I'm still using my old username Honischboy on the beta cluster), 82.197.207.202, Ppelberg-test and Sivaraam are not correctly indented. This is not the tools fault but it doesn't look the way it should be.

I understand how to do so but the drop-down menu for the formattings should only have an arrow or a … icon and an arrow because it's not for all formattings but for more formattings.

The toolbar in the beta looks like this:

But I would use this design:

or that design:

because means "[all] formattings"/"[all] text styles" and means "more"

To add to FF-11's suggestion of possible toolbar design, could be added next to ? Strikethrough tends to be used very often in discussions.