Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts

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Measurement and metrics

Are there any planned metrics that will be examined to review the effect of this change after it is deployed to non-test Wikipedia editions? A few possible areas for metrics would be measuring areas such as the impact on blocking disruptive and abusive editors, effects on vandalism in articles (both duration of visibility and ovrerall volume), volume of reports on noticeboards such as sockpuppet investigations and vandalism, and anything else that is a major area of concern with this change. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 00:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Daniel Quinlan, thanks for asking! Have you taken a look at the related question and answer in the FAQ by any chance? You may find some answers there - there's a long and detailed list of metrics. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I have, but I hadn't seen that it was updated with more specifics on metrics a few weeks ago. Thanks! Daniel Quinlan (talk) 09:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Abuse filters

If an LTA from Chicago posts his rants on a small European wiki as an IP (easily switching to IPs from South America, Africa, South Asia), a good counter measure is to filter out IP edits on all his favorite topics, given that they're NOT coming from the wiki's +95% known IPs: our regular IP users can freely edit articles on stalin and rocky and...

If IPs will be discoverable only by clicking on each edit, there will be no way for me to analyze our usual IP ranges. He's smart enough to use private browsing, he can do all kinds of damage, so in this new scenario he wins. I have absolutely no idea how our abuse filters will work, given that most of them cover only IP (ab)users, who (luckily) represent the majority of our vandals. Is this being discussed? With emphasis on small(er)/nonglobal wikis? pon_or (talk) 17:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Without theme

I'm very discouraged when I found out that we will use temporary accounts. I'm a long-term IP editor also (tens of thousands IP edits on Commons, since late 2022, mostly file categorization). It is interesting for me to edit via various and unusual IPs, much more interesting than via dull unwanted temporary accounts. Will be a choice for an anonymous editor either use temporary account or continue to use IPs? I don't want to "protect" my "privacy". Юрий Д.К. (talk) 04:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Юрий Д.К.: Hello, due the the legal reasons (the longer version explanation), it is impossible to have a choice for users continue to use IPs. Of course, they can still create an (permanent) account if they want. Thanks. SCP-2000 (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Global User Contributions

Hey everyone, this is another small update, I've just created a new page Trust and Safety Product/Global User Contributions about a tool we're working on, related to temporary accounts. Over time, we'll be adding new information and pictures to that page.

For clarification, if you're curious about the naming: the new tool's name will be the same as the current one's because the current GUC will stop working, and the new GUC will have all its features.

Thanks! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Database backup dump changes

How are database dumps going to indicate temporary users? In particular wikidatawiki stub-meta-history.xml. Currently the contributor element has an ip= attribute for ip users. Bamyers99 (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Bamyers99. Thanks for reaching out. I wanted to make sure I fully understand the question. Are you asking specifically about the new attribute used for temporary accounts instead of ip=? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

If there is a new attribute, then that is what I am asking about. Its name and value type. Bamyers99 (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm coming with an answer from our engineers. We aren't planning on adding a new attribute. Instead, the current assumption is that the existing attribute for logged-in users would be used, and the value would be the temporary account name.

What do you think about this? We're open to discussing the developer experience side on Phab.

Thanks! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

That works for me. T345855 shows the pattern to look for in the account name to identify a temporary account. Bamyers99 (talk) 12:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the question and comments, @Bamyers99. I filed T365693 with a proposal for setting an attribute in the dumps. Please comment there if you have opinions on that. KHarlan (WMF) (talk) 11:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia OAuth

Hi, I'm the maintainer of the WP 1.0 bot, and the corresponding website at https://wp1.openzim.org. We have multiple points at which we store user data, and are currently using OAuth as an authentication mechanism. Currently, I believe only users with accounts will be able to OAuth. This leads to a few questions:

• In the future, will temporary account holders also be able to grant OAuth permissions/sign in with OAuth?
• If so, would they lose their user data on our tool if their temporary account gets lost/deleted? (I assume yes).
• If that's the case, is there any way for the OAuth flow to return information about if the account is temporary, so we can display a warning message or deny access, as appropriate?

Thanks! Audiodude (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

We haven't decided yet (see T344721) I think for the initial release of temporary accounts, we would probably not allow temporary accounts to sign in with OAuth, to simplify things. KHarlan (WMF) (talk) 07:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)