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XanonymusX (talkcontribs)

I was wondering whether the display of editnotices when starting a new topic via the tool can be individually adjusted in any way. Edit notices on talk pages sometimes contain very specific instructions on how to start a new section (eg, de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia/Editnotice points out Please add at the end of every message your signature by typing [], or clicking on [].), which may be superfluous or even misleading for users of the tool. Being able to suppress individual edit notices (or even parts of them) for the tool (maybe through a class noreplytool or similar) would be helpful.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Edit notices are not currently supported. (They might be in the future, but not today.)

Most – but not all – of the edit notices on talk pages are of the sort you mention, with instructions that don't apply to the Reply tool. We might need a system that encourages w:en:Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard but discourages "Please sign your message by typing ~~~~."

XanonymusX (talkcontribs)

But they are now supported, that is why I noticed the issue in the first place. If I start a new topic on de:Fragen zur Wikipedia via the Reply tool, I see the (superfluous) edit notice!

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Oh, I was thinking of the Reply tool, but you said "when starting a new topic". Yes, that was meant to be an improvement.

I wonder: If the plain wikitext editors included a notice about signing comments, do you think editors would then feel comfortable removing that instruction? Or should we just wait until the New Discussion tool is what most newcomers use, and recommend removing it then?

XanonymusX (talkcontribs)

Actually, we had briefly discussed a similar problem recently, as the editnotice all talk pages on dewiki show per default also contains the instruction. But there it gets hidden by the mobile talk page overlay, so for now we left it as it is. Working with class nomobile was considered in that case, but that is not ideal, as it does not distinguish based on the editing mode. Therefore I was thinking of a class that could detect tool use in this case … I don’t think removing the instruction altogether would encounter much enthusiasm in the community. :|

Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

Please also note that while hopefully eventually most newcomers (and maybe most “oldcomers” as well) will use the tool, all of them will probably never use it—for example because it’s not available to them in the first place: they use an ancient browser, they deliberately turned off JavaScript (e.g. using NoScript), the necessary scripts just didn’t finish loading by the time the user clicked the new section tab etc.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure that we should keep a page, shown to 100% of editors, when <1% of editors need it.

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