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Quiddity (talkcontribs)

[A tangent from the other topic, "Engagement" page, which I don't want to distract from...] [Preface: I love some of the ideas in the Newcomer homepage project. These are supplementary thoughts.]

Someone asked me recently:

> Whilst I was just a volunteer, what could Wikimedia (movement/foundation) have done better to make me feel I could grow?

I replied: "In a word, userpages.

The way that some editors use their userpages is fascinating. They use them:

  • to track their to-do lists,
  • to store notes and wikitext/snippets/citations they're using a lot (for easy copy&pasting),
  • to list their accomplishments and accolades,
  • to organize (and share) their bookmarks,
  • to disclose their COIs,
  • to write short autobiographies,
  • to list their passions or affiliations (often in the form of those small 'userboxes'),
  • to write essays and rambles,
  • and more.

My Enwiki userpage has always been the first destination of the day for most of my volunteer activities - it loads faster than the watchlist, it contains my links to watchlists on other projects, and it contains my most frequently used bookmarks/snippets. I typically leave it open in a tab whilst I do anything else on the sites.

I've long-thought that there are some good ideas that could be extracted from the previous WMF research into userpages, to help both simplify & power-up the default experience (which is fairly-to-extremely complicated for non-technical people - and the English help docs (stuck circa 2007) are frankly terrifying).

I.e. The previous research included ideas such as automated boxes of statistics about the editor - I think many existing users would really love this. If we could provide that kind of thing but in the form of normal wiki Templates that would fit into the classic freeform pages (thus making most existing users happy), then we could potentially also offer an easy "create your own userpage from these few predefined skeletons" wizard system, which editors could then use normal page-editing to re-arrange and personalize, and thus make everyone happy. [!!]

Here are the 2 old WMF research projects (which never made it past the mockup or notes stage)

TL;DR: We should help newcomers to use their actual userpages in ways that work for them (diverse ways for diverse people). Not a one-size-fits-all-solution (I think the GlobalProfile mockup idea was inherently flawed by its standardization approach), but give them help in finding the possibilities.

Because: Having a good userpage - especially one that is actively used, and can become their first browser destination for daily editing - can give editors a sense of personal connection to the sites, and also provide a space for an individualized (and sometimes 'humanized') element that can help people to relate to each other.

Wakelamp (talkcontribs)

The User pages look like GEOCITIES on a bad day :-) They are multipurpose - Who, What, achievements, likes, and the categories don't actually lead to any community interaction. I think boardgamegeek does this best, especially as some of the achievements are assigned externally.

I am having similar thoughts though about the home and main page, except that I think the Main page should be personalised for non anonymous new editors as a reward.; anonymous editors should see a a registered editor only block and a warning that anonymous is not as safe as registered :-)

Non-active editors need prods to return, visibility of a cohort, main projects , and their mentor contact .The emphasis should be things that build a healthy community - giving and receiving thanks, taking part in topics that are marked for archive that have not been marked as conflict by more than one person etc

The focus on Number of edits is unhealthy, and is gamed by BOTs. and older editors who do the 20 % of typing that generate 80 % od edits

We also owe a duty to editor to show much time they have spent on wiki this week - burn out is very bad/unsafe for wikipedians as others don't know it has occured as they just don't login. I have no doubt that others behaviour contributes to mental health, because some editors just see others as NPCs :-(


VISIBIILITY - Have a personalised main page for non anonymous editors to reward editors.

ViSIBILITY - CURRENT MAIN PAGE

- Far more than 5 to 7 items on the pages, so most of the main page is just skimmed as there is too much information.

- The left pane takes up a huge amount of real estate. is used by the minority, and should be move to an info tab

- A single featured article is ok, but you have to page for the featured picture,

- News is OK, but there should only be one item showing.

- The sister projects etc are irrelevant, and should be collapsed or just a feature project with a few lines.

-  The Adverts for projects shouldn't list the articles that work has to be done on (scary) It should give what people enjoy about

VISIBILITY - PROPOSED - The top right , have a welcome with Number of edits,  Which of your edits has the most views, number of edits, thanks given, received, tasks closed that did not involve conflict , number of hours editing this week - changing colour to help mental health, blah blah and mentor contact if gets too high

Similar for the thanks received by your cohort , Your mentors name, Achievements of your projects today The featured picture next to your name. I think the resistance to having an avatar is generational


NUDGES are Personalisation,  pride in a community, community spirit, support, incentives for good behaviour


Overall, Wikipedia is unwelcoming in part because experienced editors assume that the heroic days are over as we have all the pages we need. They see no need for new admins, or changes in policies, or in systems, or for new editors The decision by consensus often ends up being rule by the loudest or by experienced editors

But the Experienced editors are wrong.

fI you add up unanswered talk, maintenance tags, article tags, dead projects, lack of references, categories, and article quality then we probably have 30 years to go.

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