Topic on Talk:Page Previews/Flow

Utar (talkcontribs)

After reading the project page and getting through the slideshow I have got ... ehm, just few ... questions :D . Hopefully you will find some of them useful.

  1. How fast are they appearing / disappearing?
  2. Can you get more hovercards opened at once?
  3. Are the delays going to be changed in Preferences by users or hardcoded?
  4. Can it recognize (and show something different) you have already got that linked article in your Watchlist?
  5. Are hovercards showed only in main namespaces pages?
  6. Are hovercards showed only on links to main namespaces pages?
  7. Can it deal with links to chained redirects (page redirecting to other redirect)?
  8. Can it deal with links to redirects linking to other namespaces?
  9. How is "lead image" picked? Is it the first one in article?
  10. What about links to articles without images but with a (direct via template or indirect via their Wikidata item) connection to Commons category with some images?
  11. How do hovercards deal with large images (say, 1:10 panorama view)? Do they take the setting from the linked article?
  12. Is that "Add to Watchlist" star showed to not logged users too? I assume hovercards are showed to both logged and not logged users.
  13. How is the used length of snippet found?
  14. Are some parts (like other names, pseudonyms) from the top of the linked article ommited? I assume infoboxes and other templates like language ones or "add reference here" are not counted with .
  15. So the name of article is not showed in bold in hovercards? Are there going to be any other styles showed, like italics for, say, some music/literal pieces or just plain text?
  16. Are non breakable space taken from article or changed to normal ones?
  17. Are upper-case letters M and E with T in "Read More" and "Last Edited Today" really needed? Maybe even any such letters in those two messages.
  18. Is "Today" counted with UTC or user's system time (against UTC timestamp of edit)?
  19. Can it deal with "time ago" = 1?
  20. Can it deal with "time ago" = 0?
  21. How detailed is that "time ago"? For example, is "1h 13m" showed just as "1 hour ago" or "32s" showed as "1 minute ago"?
  22. Can it deal with "time ago" < 0?
  23. Will it even reflect edits to linked pages after this page was loaded? I assume yes as I see loading snippets for each linked page during loading of the current page would be reaaally slow.
  24. What about small "IPA" link in the corner for Wiktionary hovercards? With a link to some table with what-those-weird-sign-do-mean info (say, article IPA).
  25. Are there really links to Wiktionary in Wikipedia articles? Or how are those hovercards going to be picked? Are you going for "ok, this word is not a link to article, let's try looking it up on Wikitionary", so every word in text can possibly have its hovercard? That sounds like too much pop-ups.
  26. "Add audio prompt"? Will clicking on it actually take user to uploading area?
  27. "thanked for an edit"? What about linking the edit diff itself and not the article? Or is that too scary for common hovercard user?
  28. What about adding "Articles added to Watchlist via hovercards" to Analytics & Instrumentation section?

That's probably all ... for now.

Nicereddy (talkcontribs)

Utar: I'm not a developer, but I can answer a few of these.

First, I would recommend going to the Beta tab (in the top right corner) of MediaWiki and enabling Hovercards to test it yourself right now, as that'll answer a number of your questions right off the bat.

1) It's currently at 100ms, or 1/10th of a second before disappearing.

2) Only one hovercard can be opened at once, as far as I can tell.

3) Based on comments from the developers, delay probably won't be customizable. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

4) The Watchlist functionality isn't available in the current Hovercards implementation, and as far as I can tell it won't be added to the feature at all.

5) Nope, you can view hovercards inside any article on MediaWiki currently, and I imagine that will remain true on Wikipedia, assuming the page being linked to is itself supported by Hovercards.

10) It currently doesn't support images if the image isn't within the article itself.

11) Currently, it forces the image to fit to the card if it's too small, not sure about too big. This is a bug and will be fixed soon.

12) See above, Watchlist star isn't included in the actual product, only mockups.

15) Article titles are not currently included in Hovercards.

17) "Read more" is no longer included, "edited" is now lowercase.

I can't really answer any others, if I am mistaken about any of these please correct me. Hope this helps and takes a bit of work off the developer's shoulders so they can work on the feature itself :D

Utar (talkcontribs)

Nicereddy: By article titles in 15 I have meant those few starting words in Introductory text, similar to the title of that article, which are usually in bold.

According to Tech news, we should see Hovercards at cswiki around today, they are not yet enabled there. Thanks for fast reply.

Nicereddy (talkcontribs)

Utar: Right now I believe all bolding, italics, etc. is stripped from the text so that no part of the text takes away the attention of the user from everything else. It's probably a User Experience decision, and I don't see it as a huge problem, though perhaps I'm in the minority with that viewpoint.

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