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This discussion page is for comments, feedback, and thoughts on the work to improve contribution tools on mobile web.

DocWatson42 (talkcontribs)

Greetings and felicitations. I'm using Safari under iOS 12.4.1 (the latest version), and the sidebar menu item that tells me that I'm logged in (and asks if I want to logout) is missing. Also, similar to Pelagic's comment eight days ago, when I start to (try to) edit Wikipedia I'm not asked if I want to log in. This is important because my IP address ranges are currently blocked, so I am frequently confronted with the "blocked from editing" error message, which is frustrating. :-/ I hope these omissions can be remedied soon.

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

It is not missing. You should be able to see the logout button and other links in a drop-down menu if you click the userAvatar icon next to the search icon.

DocWatson42 (talkcontribs)

Ah—so it's been moved. I thought it was missing because it is no longer where it used to be—in the menu sidebar. Since I've never seen the (generic) "userAvatar icon" before it is not the most obvious place to look.

However, my other point still stands.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

Hi, Doc, I think the part you saw was me referring to the iOS app. (I was comparing the AMC experience to other interfaces on mobile and got a bit carried away, sorry.)

If you're not logged in, then you should see the normal non-AMC hamburger menu with "Log in"? As far as I know they haven't yet implemented a cookie preference for IP users.

Possibly you were already logged in and didn't realise because of the interface change. I checked and I do get a prominent warning (with buttons for "Edit without logging in", Log in", and "Sign up") if I try to edit whilst logged-out.

In contrast, AMC's "Settings" hasn't moved (compared to normal Minerva). I keep looking under the user menu for Preferences, because I conceptualise it as a user function not a site function (or maybe just because that's where it is located in Timeless (user drop-down) and Vector (as a link grouping)). But I'm getting used to it.

DocWatson42 (talkcontribs)

Pelagic: "Possibly you were already logged in and didn't realise because of the interface change."

Actually, when I attempted to edit I was receiving a "You have been banned..." warning because I wasn't logged in and I was trying to edit from blocked IP address ranges.  Now after I refresh the window/"tab" (sometimes it takes more than one try) I'm asked to log in, so the problem has been solved, if only in a somewhat inelegant way.  Unlike before (previous versions), I am also automatically logged in if I open a new window/"tab" from one in which I am already logged in.

As for Preferences, I too wish it was in the user menu, if only to make checking my score number of edits easier. ;-)

Lastly, I'm not sure which mobile interface I'm using, except that I have Advanced mode and Beta turned on, and I have not downloaded the mentioned app.  In the past I have used the default Source editing mode, and do not know "Minerva", "Timeless", or "Vector".

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

Vector is the default appearance for the desktop web site, and Timeless is an alternate desktop skin that adapts quite well to mobile screen sizes. Minerva is the mobile appearance, but you can choose it for desktop. You can see them listed along with some other choices at Preferences – Appearance on the desktop (not mobile) site. Unfortunately we don't have a choice of different skins for mobile yet.

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

About changing mobile skins, this has been tracked in phab:T173527. But the task is currently trigged as lowest priority, so I assume it will take some time for WMF to work on this task. Apparently mobileskin preferences are hidden. I wish there is a way to enable it using API.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

P.S. glad to hear that reloading the page helped.

DocWatson42 (talkcontribs)

I'm still receiving the "You have been banned..." warning. Any progress on adding a "Do you want to log in" option?

DocWatson42 (talkcontribs)

Bump. It's still happening (mostly). I'm now running iOS 13.2 and Safari, and can edit without a problem pages in tabs into which I am already logged in, but I still don't get prompts to log in on those tabs on which I am not already logged in.

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Watchlist New User Interface on Advanced Mode

Summary by Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

I loved that Wikipedia introduced the Adavnced Mode in order to make it easier for us editors to edit pages we watch. Before, we had to manually edit the lage to revert vandalisms or have to click on the web version so that we'd be allowed to revert edits back.

But there's a change to the Advanced Mode that just didn't sit well with me. The new User Interface for Watchlist is similar to the User Interface for Recent Changes. Look, I get that Wikipedia wants to make it easier for us editors to spot changes made to the pages we watch, but this new UI for the Watchlist presents two problems: 1. The fact that it is redudant and unnecessary considering that if we wanted to see the recent changes, we'd just click on recent changes anyway; and 2. Most importantly, instead of being one click away from the pages we watch, we would have to type them into the the search bar now to be taken to the said pages. The new UI only shows the changes to the pages we watch but not the actual list of pages we watch which automatically redirects us to the said pages. The new UI does contain the list of those pages we watch, but it doesn't allow us to be redirected there. The new UI was designed for editors who are reactive rather than proactive - those who'd rather just see what others did instead of facilitating proactive editing. Like I said, I love the advanced setting, but after the change to the UI for Watchlist, I might just have to go back to the basic Wikipedia and trade in the ability to revert edits for a better UI for Watchlist. The basic versions still has the old UI for Watchlist.

Schnark (talkcontribs)

I have to agree. I'm usually not the type of person who cries "Revert immediately!" when a change to the software happens, and I appreciate your efforts to bring advanced filters to mobile, but the old watchlist design fitted my needs much better than the new one, and I had to disable advanced mode completely, though overall I really liked it. My specific issues with the new watchlist design are:

  • I have to scroll much more. First, I have to scroll past the whole form which is really long, even if you collapse the filter (and when I'm on desktop, I do not want to have it collapsed, so I'd have to collapse and uncollapse it every time if I change my device); secondly, the items on the watchlist are a bit larger than before, again requiring more scrolling.
  • The new list takes longer to load, especially on limited mobile connections.
  • The most prominent element in the new watchlist is the rollback button, which is the one element I never want to use from there.

I would be really happy, if the old watchlist could be kept as "quick overview" and be made default for users who like it better than the advanced mode.

Count Count (talkcontribs)

I concur, in particular regarding the last two points. It is very easy to accidentally hit the rollback button. Not sure what is going on with the loading time, it seems similar to the slowness of the watchlist on mobile devices in desktop mode.

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Watchlist New User Interface on Advanced Mode"
Stegosaurus Rex (talkcontribs)

I absolutely dislike the new design of the watchlist in mobile view. Main problem is, that the new design doesn't fit to usability requirements for touch screens in general. The big blue Refresh button is missing, instead I've got to click on a small text hyperlink with the danger of accidentally clicking on the links besides it. Furthermore, the links in each watchlist entry are too small and too close to each other so that there is also the danger of accidentally clicking on the wrong link. Curiously, only the relatively unimportant link Restore without comment is displayed big enough for being clicked with one of my fingers! I liked the previous design, which was better arranged, much more than the current one, which is confusing to my eyes.

(Please apologize for maybe wrongly translating certain links, as I'm using the German wikipedia)

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

I created a task for it. Cheers

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1997kB (talkcontribs)

A button in global preferences to enable it on all wiki will be really helpful for users who works on multiple wikis.

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Enabling crosswiki"
Summary by Masumrezarock100

Unrelated to this talk page. The appropriate forum would be w:en:WP:TH or w:en:WP:HD

Hlalanathi Nyango (talkcontribs)

I want to create Wikipedia page without to be blocked by wiki owner .

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

Hi, this is not an appropriate place to ask this. You appear to be looking for w:en:WP:TH. Please ask there. Also take a look at w:en:WP:YFA. Thanks!

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

Hi, we are not Wikipedia team. As the description says, this is a discussion page for discussion about improving contributions tools on mobile web. As I already said, please ask your questions at English Wikipedia's Teahouse. This is not an appropriate venue for asking questions like these. Cheers

Xemonitroid (talkcontribs)

It would be really cool to put a Dark Mode for the phone version, the browser and the app one. I like to read pages along the night and the shine of the white color is too much for a site like Wikipedia.

Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)
EoRdE6 (talkcontribs)

having a link to the corresponding Wikidata page would be super useful

AHollender (WMF) (talkcontribs)
EoRdE6 (talkcontribs)

Awesome, for some reason I was looking in the swipe out menu on the left

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Hydromania (talkcontribs)

Hi, first off I thing the new advanced mobile is amazing, so thanks. Would it be possible to add 1) a contributions link from a users talk page. There currently is a direct link from a userpage to the user's contributions list, but for a user with only a talk page it's a few extra clicks. 2) a "return to Article Name" link from page history. When reaching the history from a user's contributions for example, where using my browser's back button isn't an option. Thanks. Hydromania (talk) 08:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

AHollender (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Hydromania great points. I've created two tasks to represent the needs you mentioned:

1) Contributions link from user talk page -

2) Navigating back to article page from history page -

Since we are in the process of wrapping up on this project and transitioning to our next project there's unfortunately no guarantee that our team will work on these improvements, but hopefully we can : )

Thanks so much for your keen eye and constructive feedback

Hydromania (talkcontribs)


Reply to "Two small suggestions"

Please let me stop it from asking to turn it on

DemonDays64 (talkcontribs)

It keeps bugging me, telling me to turn it on frequently. Can we have an option to stop it from asking at all please?

Masumrezarock100 (talkcontribs)

Hi, I am sorry that it is troublesome to you. AMC Outreach modal is designed to trigger when some editor performs certain actions or have not enabled AMC mode. Have you tried clicking "No thanks"? It should no longer appear when you click "No thanks".

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Calvinkulit (talkcontribs)

Make it the default for all MediaWiki mobile pages.

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