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Reminder: Community Insights Survey

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hello Wargo

Thank you for hosting the Talk pages consultation 2019 on Polish languages wikis!

I've visited your pages on pl.wp, and on both you have a blue button. That button opens a non-existing page on the main space. I think it is not the expected behavior. :)

I'll also message everyone who volunteered to help to give them some more advice about the consultation. Stay tuned!

Wargo (talkcontribs)

Thanks for reporting this issue! Fixed.

Some news about hosting the Talk pages consultation

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

Hello

You have volunteered to be a coordinator for the Talk pages consultation 2019. Thank you!

We want to share with you some important information, so as some advice. All of this is based on feedback, observations and some decisions taken around phase 1 of the consultation.

Can you ask for details?

On the already started consultations, we have noticed that some people explain what they wish to have, and they express what they like or dislike about talk pages. However, they don't explain the reasons why.

Explaining why is very important: it allows us to find the common needs between users. Can you please review the feedback already received, and ask for details and "why"?

Reaching at other projects

Most of the consultation pages are hosted on Wikipedia, on several languages. We also need to get the feedback from people who contribute to other projects. Don't forget to invite them to participate (or setup their own consultation page). The more feedback we have, the better.

Reaching at newcomers

Most feedback received so far has come from experienced users. It is unfortunately not representative of all the users who use talk pages. Please consider to send an invite to some active newcomers. Again, the more feedback we have, the better.

To find some newcomers to contact, you can replace the RecentChanges link on your wiki with the following set of filters: Special:RecentChanges?userExpLevel=learner&hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&namespace=1%3B3%3B5&limit=500&days=30&urlversion=2. It will show the list of users who have made less than 500 edits, and some edits on discussion pages. You can also invite people who left messages on your local Help desk.

Due date is now known!

Community summaries are due by April 6, 2019. We advise communities, especially the ones that would have had collected a lot of replies, to end the conversation by March 31. That way, volunteers will have enough time to wrap up the discussions.

How to close the conversations?

We have seen that some of the coordinators have started the conversations using the usual places to have conversations on their wikis. It is an easy way to reach people. However, since the consultation is based on a different consultation process than the usual ones, those rules regarding how to close conversations may not need to be applied. It is up to you to decide!

And again, thank you for your help!

Trizek (WMF) 17:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

extension of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Titlewhitelist

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Wladek92 (talkcontribs)

a moment to put your personal appreciation for my proposition ?

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Wladek92 (talkcontribs)
MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey

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MediaWiki message delivery (talkcontribs)

RMaung (WMF) 19:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Chinese variants conversion problems

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101.14.230.155 (talkcontribs)

Hi,

The page Module:CGroup/IT is going to use in MediaWiki zh documentation (like Manual:, Extension:, Help: namespaces) page, please revert your deletion. Thanks.


Sincerely, 101.14.230.155 10:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

223.136.16.132 (talkcontribs)
49.218.25.190 (talkcontribs)

@Clump: Please don't delete those pages, they're going to use in zh translations on this site in order to make correct conversion of zh variants.

Sincerely,


49.218.25.190

Clump (talkcontribs)

Why does that require multiple lua modules? Has this approach been proposed and/or documented somewhere---other language (variants) do not seem to involve all that. I would assume people from the zh community would be involved, not just random ip addresses creating modules. Perhaps a bug/feature request would be more appropriate, or if you are just trying something out you can use the test wiki or sandbox.

118.169.184.251 (talkcontribs)

@Clump: In Chinese, words may have multiple meanings in different situations, like "支持" in zh-hans may refer to "支持" in non-Information Technology field in zh-hant, but usually use "支援" in Information Technology field in zh-hant. In order to make the conversion correct, zh Wikipedia use public conversion group (CGroup) in specific field like Astronomy, IT, Chemistry, Physics, and so on. Those situations aren't always suitable all the time, so we only use NoteTA template to add these CGroups in specific pages that the conversion needed to be corrected, and don't convert those words on the whole site. The conversion rules in CGroups aren't suitable for all pages, so it's not a conversion bug.

Sincerely, 118.169.184.251 15:50, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Wargo (talkcontribs)

Pages can be translated into these variants separately.

118.169.184.251 (talkcontribs)

No, it can't.


Translation to Traditional Chinese is disabled: Translate in zh please.

Translation to Simplified Chinese is disabled: Translate in zh please.
118.169.184.251 (talkcontribs)

@Wargo: It only show these messages.

Wargo (talkcontribs)
49.215.195.164 (talkcontribs)
49.215.195.164 (talkcontribs)

And the difference is Writing systems/Syntax can only convert a selected word once and is not possible to set a whole-page conversion rule in the same word, but to create whole-page and non-whole-site conversion rules, we use CGroups, and use NoteTA to transclude CGroups on specific pages.

118.169.184.251 (talkcontribs)

@Wargo:

@Clump:


Above is the reason of “Why we need CGroups.”

Clump (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the explanations. That all seems reasonable, and the code does not look complex, although it handles a large number of terms of questionable value on this wiki, and its effects do not seem entirely isolated to zh-* translations (if just in relatively benign category creations). I am still unsure how it would interact with the translation system in use here, which organizes translations by small units rather than as whole, separate page conversions.

It would be helpful to have someone actively doing Chinese translations and/or translation development advocate for this. Is there some reason you refuse to login? Absence of support from any existing, established users/translators is a concern.

Winston Sung (talkcontribs)

Actually, the original reason of “Why I didn't login” is:

  1. I was logged in in Wikipedia, but forgot to login this site (It will not automatically login to other projects).
  2. After I applied the changes ,discovered that I didn't login, and noticed the page has been deleted, I think It's a good opportunity to see what the users who delete the page will interact with IP users.
  3. The code is copied from zh Wikipedia, only removed untranslated documentation and external links.
  4. And there's a little inconvenience that when I clicked the log in link in the edit page and loggedin, it redirects me to the view page, and I have to re-click the edit button again. It seems easy in desktop view with desktop screen, but hard to click every links, buttons, and textareas in mobile screen (with desktop view).

By the way, What is your timezone? It's UTC+8 without DST here.


Sincerely, Winston Sung (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Clump (talkcontribs)

I have restored the modules and the template. Sorry for extra effort this generated; providing the intention and explanation from a reliable identity ahead of time would have helped. Let me know if any files are missed; note that documentation is either missing or unclear, and may limit its use or result in further confusion as to its purpose and value.

Winston Sung (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your help!

The documentations are written in zh and aren't translated to en, so I didn't copy them from zh Wikipedia. If possible, I'll translate them into en and put them into this site.

Sincerely, Winston Sung (talk) 00:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Winston Sung (talkcontribs)

@Wargo:

@Clump:


It seems that everything works fine except the -{T|}- rule used for zh title conversions (same as {{DISPLAYTITLE:}}, but {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} cannot make any conversions, so the -{zh:Chinese content;zh-hans:Simplified Chinese content;zh-hant:Traditional Chinese content;}- markup doesn't work in {{DISPLAYTITLE:}}), maybe the problem is the {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} in Extension:Translate will override the -{T|}- rule.

How can we fix it, or maybe it's a bug?

Clump (talkcontribs)
Winston Sung (talkcontribs)
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DannyS712 (talkcontribs)
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Thanks for the help setting up translations. DannyS712 (talk) 07:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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94rain (talkcontribs)
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