User talk:Helge.at/Wording

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Hi Helge. A patch that replaces "Artikel" with "Seite" will be applied soon (maybe already done when you read this). Also I will rename "Mediawiki-Meldungen" to "Mediawiki-Texte". 'titlematches' is alreday renamed to "Übereinstimmungen mit Seitentiteln" in 1.8alpha. --Collinj 22:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

That's great news. How about the other messages? --Helge 22:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

namespace page tabs

The current default trend of labeling page tabs within a given namespace simply with the name of the specific namespace is cleaver, maybe even cute, but misleading navigation and thus counter productive and should be discontinued. Namespace page tabs do not go to the top of the given namespace (as would be expected of a link to a specific 'namespace') but rather to whatever page one happens to already be on (or reading 'history' or 'discuss' of). Example of problem: common user expectation is that a bold blue link to "Help" within a tab or otherwise will take one to top level Help, not to any given specific page within the "Help:" namespace that one is already on or reading 'history' or 'discuss' of which is what this does. "Page" is a good label for, well, "the page tab" in any namespace in English and can be easily translated into any language. Navigational interface must be kept short, simple, clear, predictable and accurate -- user friendly. Helge, thanks for your work on this! :-) Rogerhc 18:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Roger, I invite you to add lines to the table above to specify your suggestions. --Helge.at 10:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

'content' seems like a reasonable choice (as opposed to discussion). 'page' is confusing because the discussion page is still a page. Alternatively, they could both be verbs, e.g. 'read' and 'discuss', although this perhaps adds confusion as the other tabs (which actually perform some operation) are verbs. Actually, I think that's a key thing - the first set of tabs (article/discussion) are nouns and the second set (edit/history/etc.) are verbs that operate on those nouns (specifically, the currently selected one). This is a paradigm that is important to keep, so it is incorrect to think that 'discuss' is an action applied to the page - rather there are two linked pages for which various actions may be performed.

Sorry - a lot of that was unnecessary thinking aloud. In short: 'content' is better than 'page', but I would be interested in any further suggestions... :) --HappyDog 00:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

HappyDog, you've nailed down exactly what I've been thinking about, too. As you, I haven't come to a real solution (therefor it's not in the list). I have some ideas that involve feature changes as well, they go beyond wording. I plan to write them down on User:Helge.at/Various Feature Ideas. --Helge 22:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Mailing list

Please post your suggestions (link of this page) on the mediawiki-i18n mailing list: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n --Collinj 12:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Collin, I want to complete my list first. Will post it on the list then. --Helge 22:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Great idea

I took some time to understand how to get rid of some Wikipedia-specific terms and navigations. It makes somewhat confusing to adopt MediaWiki for a corporate wiki. --Fernando Correia 19:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)