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Sorry if I missed it elsewhere, but does New topic tool support (or plans to support) adding new sections on top of the page?

Hi :) I have created a task for this: phab:T313165.

It's my impression that the biggest blocker for this is the perception that bottom-posting is popular. See phab:T17494 from 2008, which considered making this a per-wiki default. It doesn't appear to be technically difficult, but I'd predict months of complaints at the larger wikis. Smaller, more mobile-oriented wikis would probably appreciate it.

@Whatamidoing (WMF), It does not mean enabling this behavior (new topic on top) by default. It's about making the functions of the new topic (DT featured) understand the existing mechanics in advance.

I believe that DiscussionTools already/automatically/unavoidably follows whatever the page does. The problem isn't that DiscussionTools can't do it; the problem is that MediaWiki Core can't do it. DiscussionTools will post wherever on the page that &action=edit&section=new will post if DiscussionTools didn't exist. You don't want a situation in which one editor has DiscussionTools enabled, so they top-post, and the next editor has DiscussionTools disabled, so they bottom-post.

No, DT can't do that. You can read @Matmarex post in my task. And I even agree that this feature should be in Core.

> You don't want a situation in which one editor has DiscussionTools enabled, so they top-post, and the next editor has DiscussionTools disabled, so they bottom-post.

I sincerely apologize, but it seems to me that you again did not understand the situation and are trying to prove something to me, which is not reality. Please follow the links in my task and see how these forums work now.

I did read what he wrote:

If T33919: Allow posting new sections to top of page on a per-page basis was implemented in MediaWiki core, it would work with the DiscussionTools new topic tool as well – new topics would be added to the top, since we use the same code for saving changes.

In other words, DiscussionTools already/automatically/unavoidably follows whatever the page does, because it uses the same code for saving changes as MediaWiki core. So long as MediaWiki core bottom-posts for &action=edit&section=new, so will DiscussionTools. If MediaWiki core is changed to top-post, then so will DiscussionTools.

What you seem to be asking for is "Please let me use DiscussionTools's New Topic tool when MediaWiki core believes I am editing section 0 instead of creating a new topic".