Not only beginners want to see the process of their work. I think it will be useful for mentors as well. I propose for mentors to replace the "ask the mentor" module, the "mentor monitor" module, where they will be able to see the following:
I think this will motivate the mentors :)
In general, here I thought that the home page should be customizable not only for beginners. Experienced editors love graphics and interactivity too.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Проект:Помощь_начинающим/FAQ and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Communities/How_to_interact_with_newcomers/ru . Please add these links. I supplement the request above for " mentor monitor".
Many people forget that: you need to notify the student, say hello.
1. A form for answering questions posted on mentor discussion pages - as a mirror mechanism to the "ask a question" form available to the newcomer.
+ A recommender system that would offer 2 to 3 choices of blanks to answer. Which would be based on keyword searches in the question . Using a common table "key" (or RegExp) - "answer blanks" would be convenient, especially with access to updates and additions by mentors and other experienced participants.
+ Perhaps in the light of this hide (!) these questions from the mentor discussion page, because (A) there have already been complaints about cluttering the page (B) this will now be possible by using mirror question-answer forms.
2. More time-related statistics.
3. Ranking between mentors on performance.
This one maybe? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239234
It is a parent task for several sub-tasks, these sub-tasks describe the different possible modules that would be activated on the mentor's homepage.
Can you detail the reason why all the (nice) ideas you have would address mentors' needs or issues ? Some context would help to define better tools. As a comparison, if you ask for a dog, I could give you a dog. But if your need is to plant flowers seeds, maybe you don't really need a dog but a shovel. :)
> This one maybe? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239234
Yes, thanks! :)
> Can you detail the reason why all the (nice) ideas you have would address mentors' needs or issues? Some context would help to define better tools. As a comparison, if you ask for a dog, I could give you a dog. But if your need is to plant flowers seeds, maybe you don't really need a dog but a shovel.:)
1. Number and list of newcomers under mentor's supervision
We have a forced mentoring mechanic in our project. And I think that it would be useful for such mentors to be able to monitor who they have as charges. It also helps mentors in this list - Growth/Communities/How_to_introduce_yourself_as_a_mentor#A_separate_list_for_workshops_hosts.
2. Number of questions asked to the mentor
Just a motivation system. How much a mentor is in demand.
3. Number of newcomers continuing to work after their question has been answered
Just a motivation system. This gives you confidence that your answers helped.
4. Button "claim a mentee"
It seems to me that this useful feature is hidden very far away.
Thank you for your reply!
Also, our plans so far are the following: when a user ad their name to become a mentor, the system automatically adds modules or replaces modules on the existing homepage. In your opinion, should we enhance the existing homepage with tools for mentors, or create a separate one, dedicated to mentoring?
> I'm not sure to understand what "forced mentoring mechanic" means there. Can you clarify please?
There are some very unconstructive, inexperienced users who make a positive contribution to Wikipedia, but do not know how to communicate well. They are assigned "forced mentoring" by our administrators. That is, all their edits are strictly moderated by mentors, or in general, are published only by mentors
> Don't you think such a feature would discourage some mentors, since they can't improve this figure?
Yes, that's a very good point. But I can't think of any other number that could be motivating. Anyway, not about motivation, we need some kind of open statistics, like Special:Stats.
> Also, our plans so far are the following: when a user ad their name to become a mentor, the system automatically adds modules or replaces modules on the existing homepage. In your opinion, should we enhance the existing homepage with tools for mentors, or create a separate one, dedicated to mentoring?
A very good question, I generally thought to propose an idea, to make a "Homepage" not only for beginners, but for all participants. For example, remove a block with a mentor from users who have more than 1000 edits. Or make it possible to programmatically switch from the beginner's home page to the experienced editor's home page.
As for mentors, it depends on the number of new functions, if there are a lot of them and they overlap the main editorial blocks, then yes, we need to create a new special page.
There are some very unconstructive, inexperienced users who make a positive contribution to Wikipedia, but do not know how to communicate well. They are assigned "forced mentoring" by our administrators. That is, all their edits are strictly moderated by mentors, or in general, are published only by mentors
Thank you for explaining it. Definitely, our tools might help. If you deploy the homepage for everyone, anyone can claim a user and then monitor the edits they made. But it is also a way to harass people, by actively stalking their contributions. :( We need to find the right balance. I keep the process you use in mind for the time we will think about this feature.
About motivation, a possibility would be to sum the number of thanks received by a mentor from their mentees. But again, this depends on the number of mentees that interact with you.
and thank you for your feedback about homepages options! :)
> But it is also a way to harass people, by actively stalking their contributions.
The minimum they need is just a list of users. Without any monitoring for first mockup.
