Topic on VisualEditor/Feedback

Ariel Provost (talkcontribs)

Je remarque que depuis quelque temps diverses modifs, sans doute réalisées avec l'éditeur visuel, ajoutent systématiquement une espace après le « ? » quand il termine un titre de section. Ce n'est pas bien grave (aucune conséquence à l'affichage) mais c'est quand même un bug.

I've noticed that for some time now various edits (probably made with the visual editor) have systematically added a space after “?" when it ends a section title. This is not very serious (no consequence to the display) but it is still a bug.

Histo-92 (talkcontribs)

I add information to Ariel's request.


In French

Il n'y a pas que ça, je rencontre d'autres erreurs systématiques (ajout d'espaces dans les lignes de titres, ajout de lignes blanches, ajout d'un paramètre fantaisiste dans les images), voir ce que je viens de signaler sur la page de la nuit des Longs Couteaux et que je recopie ici : « Merci pour votre correction. En fait c'est l'éditeur visuel qui introduit des parasites, comme je l'ai corrigé à la modif précédente. »


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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I think @NicoV is the expert on exactly how French Wikipedia should be formatted.

NicoV (talkcontribs)

Thanks User:Whatamidoing (WMF), but I think both User:Ariel Provost and User:Histo-92 showed examples of VE adding things by itself in many places in the article, and this should never happen: VE should not decide on its own to reformat things not modified by the human editor.

See for example this VE edit with such edits:

  • extra whitespace characters added at the end of titles: when my bot changes an article, it formats titles with one whitespace before and one after
  • added quotes to ref names
  • added link to images (link to the image itself which is completelty useless and counter productive): my bot fixes this on a regular basis
  • extra white line added before section

The main problem is VE doing edits on otherwise unmodified areas, and deciding on its own on a strange formatting (multiple whitespace are strange, multiple white lines are strange, links in images are strange...)

ESanders (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Is this T260960? If so it should get fixed this week.

NicoV (talkcontribs)

Yes, for the first problem, it looks like exactly the same. But, there's also other problems in this edit :

  • link to the image ([[File:WWII, Europe, Germany, "Nazi Hierarchy, Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, Hess", The Desperate Years p143 - NARA - 196509.jpg|...|lien=Fichier:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg]])
  • extra white line before a title
ESanders (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The link issue sounds like phab:T257581 which was also fixed recently.

FYI both the VE and Parsoid teams agree on this principle so we do investigate any reported cases of “dirty diffs”.

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