Topic on VisualEditor/Feedback

Is anyone using the "Visual edit: switched" tag?

I think that it was made for researching the reasons why people switch from editing in VE to editing in wiki syntax. Is it actually used for this? Is anyone exploring edits with this tag on any wiki?

I don't think it was a research-driven tag. I think it exists to let the devs know where to debug problems (e.g., was this mess created purely in the visual mode, or could the problem be during the conversion, or could the editor have typed wikitext manually?)

Yes, that's what I meant: debugging is a kind of research :)

So is it actually done? Do developers ever really look at it?

Not proactively. It is used retroactively when people report bugs to deduce if a wikitext/VE switch might have been at play.

They did occasionally, when the tag was new, but they were looking for symptoms of Parsoid-related problems rather than feature-related problems. Working on desktop VE hasn't officially been the team's assignment for almost two years now, and I doubt that anyone looked at these tags for some time before then.

Based on comments on wiki, the most compelling reason for an experienced wikitext user to switch from wikitext to visual mode was editing tables.

Thanks.

It may be a good idea to go back to and check what are the reasons to doing it now. They may be different :)

Just looked up what the tag meant after it was assigned to one of my edits elsewhere and ended up here.

Let me quell the curiosity of any "researchers" out there: I switched from visual to normal because the visual editor is a bloated mess. It's supposed to be wysiwyg but in reality it's anything but. Not to mention that it takes forever to introduce even the smallest of changes using that absolute piece of junk. Don't even think about disabling the source editor on your wiki unless your intention is to drive off contributors. Also, flow is garbage too, shame you can't opt out of that one as a user (though I suppose it works fine when the discussion is very short like this one).

This is meant as a reality check, not as feedback; if you want actionable feedback, here goes: get rid of the thing; any resources spent on its development are wasted.