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Link to articles in other languages and editing several sections

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Seudo (talkcontribs)

Several things have been improved, thanks. But:

  • links to the same article in another language at the top of the article (e.g. from fr:Route to en:Road) point to the desktop version (on en.wikipedia.org). They should point to the mobile version (en.m.wikipedia.org);
  • sometimes you need to edit several sections of an article at the same time (e.g. add a reference in the Bibliography and use it somewhere else, or fix typography everywhere). If I'm correct that is not possible and you must do several edits. Seudo (talk) 05:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)
Pelagic (talkcontribs)

Re. whole-page versus section editing. Personally I prefer it when people make multiple small, focussed edits. But I do agree with Suedo that there are some cases where whole-page editing is needed.

One of my beefs with Visual Editor on desktop is that it dumps you into whole-page mode even when you select the section-edit button. The edit summary keeps the section name, creating misleading history. If you cycle back to source mode then you are still in whole-page with a mass of wikitext to wade through.

I’ve seen cases where editors make a big set of unrelated changes – some good, some quite bad – across multiple sections. Then the next person has to decide whether to revert and throw out the baby with the bathwater, or devote a lot of time to picking through the changes line-by-line.

So, yes, please make whole-page editing available, but don’t make it the default experience for newbies and don’t break section-editing!

The savvy bad-faith editors who use multi-locus editing to hide their insertion of political, nationalist, or racist PoV amongst good changes will still work out how do do so, but let’s not make it easy for the clueless to mess up articles.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

OMG, just tested section edit on mobile and it stayed as single section after switching to visual mode.

Does the behaviour I described only happen on desktop, or has something changed? Might have to go back and strike most of my comment.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

Nope, desktop goes to full-page visual, but round tripping source–visual–source does return me to section-only.

Seudo (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the links. I guess I'll try to hack something in my minerva.js to solve the first problem, because I navigate quite often from one language to another when the article on my language is not detailed enough.

Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)

Are you using a mobile device? Those links should redirect to the mobile site when clicked and if they are not that's a problem in our configuration and likely a different bug.

You can tell if you are on a 'mobile device' based on whether navigating to https://en.wikipedia.org in an incognito/private browser window on your mobile phone redirects to the mobile experience?

Seudo (talkcontribs)

Many thanks for asking. I tried what you said and it's probably a problem in my browser (Opera for Android) configuration. Interwiki links from a mobile page (en.m.wikipedia.org) do point to mobile pages in other browsers (Chrome and Samsung Internet for Android) and also in a private Opera window. The problem I mentioned apparently only occurs in a non-private Opera window. So maybe that's a problem with something I did on my phone and not with Wikipedia, I'll look more to find the origin.

Thank you for pointing me to this!

Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)

Is it possible "desktop site" toggle has been selected in the top right menu?

Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)

Also in settings check the "default user agent" setting. It may have been set to desktop at some point.

94.228.185.34 (talkcontribs)

No, the "desktop site" option is not selected and the default user agent is "mobile". I have not recently modified these options. If I cannot find the reason I will simply use another browser for Wikipedia... Thanks for your help.

Seudo (talkcontribs)

... (after logging in) or enable the Timeless skin, which seems to solve all problems.

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