Topic on 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback

Preview on discussion pages?

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Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

Hi! I've used this new wikitext editor during the last weeks, and most have been pleasant surprises – automatic source templates, ease of editing (all the code visible with no code framing) and speedy moves between VE and this editor (to and from). But I (macOS 10.12.6, Google Chrome 66, Vector skin) cannot seem to get the preview to function when on discussion pages. Often there is a hard freeze, making me have to exit the edit process and start the edit anew. Is this a bug? I'm working on svwp, where Flow hasn't been added to the interface.

X black X (talkcontribs)

I have also faced this problem, so it appears on different computers, operating systems and browsers (the only difference, by the way: I constantly faced slow moves between visual editing and 2017 wikitext editor, especially in the direction from 2017 wikitext editor to visual editing).

Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

OK. My experience of time when changing editor is 2 seconds on small pages (either way to/from) and 5 seconds on large pages (either way). My computer is MacBook Air (8 GB RAM, Intel Core i7 2.2 GHz), delivered last November.

X black X (talkcontribs)

On small pages I experience about the same, but on medium to lage pages, only a change from visual editing to 2017 wikitext editor is performed in about 5 seconds, a change from wikitext editor to visual editing takes about 9 seconds. Under such conditions, I'd stay in wikitext editor mode to complete the edit and neglect visual editing.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I can't reproduce this on Paracel's user talk page at this wiki or at the Swedish Wikipedia. I also tried an article talk page, and I was able to see the preview. I tested in Safari 11.1 on macOS 10.12.6.

Questions:

  1. Have you enabled the Visual Diffs beta feature?
  2. How are you trying to start the preview (e.g., keyboard shortcut or opening the Publish dialog?)
Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

Hi! I haven't enabled any other beta features (didn't know they were connected). I'm normally hesitant in being a beta tester, but this new wikitext feature is enough bug free to be useful. Two other observations:

1/ When in editing mode, previewing, returning to editing, and then publishing, this last action seem to bypass the Publish dialog altogether, not giving me the possibility to add a publication comment.

2/ When editing a discussion page, the Publish comment field seem to be unreachable.

I most often use the keyboard shortcut to get to the preview, most often using the buttons to navigate from the Publish dialog.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

(I'm not an early adopted either. In fact, my team is used to me telling them that Change Is Bad.  :-)

When I enable the 2017 wikitext mode and open https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Användardiskussion:Paracel63?veaction=editsource&section=45 (the last section on your userpage), add some text, and type Control+ Option+p, I get the preview. Preview also works when I click on the blue Publish changes… button, and then on the preview. I've tested this in macOS 10.12.6 in both Safari 11 and Firefox 60. Is that broken for you, on your talk page at the Swedish Wikipedia, in Chrome?

Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

Hi! My bad (memory). No, it works here too. There are other glitches, but they're not serious. Have a nice day.

X black X (talkcontribs)

I've tested showing the preview on talk pages (on non-macOS) again and this time it worked, so this problem seems to be solved.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Bugs that magically disappear make me nervous (because maybe they'll magically come back, too). But I'm going to hope for the best. Do please post again if this bug re-appears in the future. I'd really appreciate it.

Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

I don't have time to thoroughly test all combinations:

*editing article space, discussion, other pages

*starting on VE or Wikitext 2017

*previewing through button or shortcut

*navigating through the four Wt17 preview space buttons: return to edit, review edit, return to publish dialog, publish

*navigation through the above in reverse or alternative order

*other combinations

Things are bound to change depending on situations. In some instances the publish button goes straight to publish, not presenting the publish dialog in between. Some other day I'll return with the exact circumstances, but as of now it seems to be random, or a consequence of some of the 200 possible combinations elaborated above.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The Publish button goes straight to publishing only when you're in a preview or diff screen. (That way, you can type your edit summary, double-check your edit, and not have to go backwards to look at your edit summary again. If you want to go back to the edit summary, then click the "Return to save form" in the lower left.) Advice on improving the design is always welcome.

Paracel63 (talkcontribs)

Thanks. Yes, that seems to be the behaviour I'm trying to get the hang of. It isn't consistent with earlier system behaviour, but maybe it's a better solution (edit summary is not everything).

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