Topic on Extension talk:WikibaseLexeme/Data Model

The given definition of lexeme begins with "A Lexeme is a lexical element of a natural language" and the model indeed have a language field.

A more flexible way to represent this information would be to put that in statements like "appears in discourses categorized as being expressed in ${language}". Once again, flexibility of claims could help to render the fact that in such or such discourse, the lexeme is considered endogenous of the surrounding discourse, loan word, an exogenous verbatim quote, and so on.

Thus the "language" might always be inferred, but wouldn't be engraved in the model with a rigidity which doesn't reflect versatility of language practices.

On a side note, the "natural language" term is itself carrying very biased assumption on languages, see this Wikiversity research article for more development on this topic.

Can you point me to a case that would be problematic? I'll need to understand this better and an example might help.

I removed the « natural » adjective which seems unnecessary and confusing to me (plus, there is a lot of « un-natural » - whatever it supposed to mean - lexeme on the wiktionaries).

Some examples where already given in Wikidata talkpage on Wiktionary by @Tropylium:.

I could add an other with example like fixed locution borrowed from latin such as in situ which might have misc. pronunciations, but share the same written form and (at least one) meaning. Funnily that's also a case where several lexical categories do share the same exact meaning in a given language (at least if you trust the English Wiktionary).

Any feedback on this examples @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE):?

(Sorry to ping you that much, but as the interface doesn't provide a way to indicate that a message was well received, I don't have many other way to know if it wasn't just missed. That might be suggestion to make in phabricator maybe, I like the "Thanks" button, and having a "Mark red" and "Read later" next to it would seem interesting now that I'm thinking about it.)

Sounds like something @Daniel Kinzler (WMDE): can say something about more than me.