Topic on 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback

Hello to all and to all !

Further to the announcement of the community to delete(eliminate) our expensive and soft bar(helm) of tool for the benefit of an other one at present in stupid man in the mode Wikitexte, I take advantage of it to make some complaints which(who) seems to me justified:

* We ask for the compatibility of the gadget DotsSyntaxHighlighter the new mode of wikitexte

* We ask for the compatibility of the gadget Quick Preview the new mode of wikitexte

* We ask for the institution of most of the features of ForceMonobookToolbar the new bar(helm) of tool of the new mode of wikitexte

Delete(Eliminate) our good old bar(helm) of tool to proceed to the transition on the long term for the benefit of the new mode of wikitexte : why not?! But we delete(eliminate) something so important for us the old dinosaurs of Wikipedia with nothing in return! I hope that these complaints shall not go unheeded!

I'm not sure which project you're talking about. You may be looking for Contributors/Projects/Accessible editing buttons or Contributors/Projects/Removal of the 2006 wikitext editor or another project.

It's okay to write in French on this wiki. Also, please give me links to these gadgets. They look useful. :-)

This is the NewEditor Feedback page, and their phrase "new mode of wikitexte" clearly refers to this project. The three bullet points are clearly complaining about how NewEditor breaks all wikitext editor gadgets and scripts. (I deliberately didn't include that point in my RFC to fix the NewEditor, but that point would be included in an RFC to roll it back from our end.)

I can pretty well interpret the rest too. They're definitely making the connection that you're removing the wikitext editor to push VisualEditor. They would support a new wikitext editor if it were an improvement, but you're removing our valuable flexible tools and the NewEditor gives zero benefit in exchange. They end saying not to ignore the community's complaints.

I noted the poster's use of "We" rather than "I". I did some searching on French Wikipedia. I'm not sure which specific discussion they were referring to, but yes, I found other people on FrWiki objecting to the NewEditor. Unsurprisingly, they were complaining about preview and that the new editor was unusably slow. On the latter point, one person particularly commented about developers living in a California-bubble, saying that people in the rest of the word don't have high power computers capable of running it. I think the NewEditor wouldn't work for them at all.

I'm pretty sure "dinosaur" was sarcastic mocking of WMF disdain for experienced editors. It's possible that their use of "stupid" was sarcastically mocking the WMF's view of VisualEditor for new users. I admit that my basis for interpretation there is a bit thin, however those particular words appear unlikely to be stray translation glitches and that interpretation fits the general theme of the message.

Alsee, at the moment, the community at the French Wikipedia is primarily concerned about the plan to truly "delete" the 2006 wikitext editor, and to replace it with (literally) "nothing in return" (i.e., no toolbar at all).

As you have been told many times, the devs are not "removing the wikitext editor to push VisualEditor". They aren't removing wikitext, and they have promised that it will be possible to edit wikitext without using either VisualEditor (any part of it, including its new wikitext mode) or Javascript for the foreseeable future.

I have therefore asked Menthe to clarify his comment.

(As for updating gadgets: Gadgets and other user scripts are entirely the responsibility of the users who created them, and they are absolutely free to updated their scripts whenever they want, including to make them work inside either or both modes of VisualEditor. They don't need the WMF's permission to do that.)