Topic on 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback

I worked a while now with the new editor. It's basically easy, helpful, thus great.

To still speed up editing work a bit more I am missing particularly:

• redlinks in previews
• Preview button next to Save changes button for immediate and interim preview
• combined view for preview&editor to compare edits&results easily

What is completely irritating when jumping around between buttons & views is the doubled Save changes button. It often takes a second look to eliminate irritations - added up I already missed a few minutes of my life time because of this second look... Labelling it different would be cool, either:

• Save changes and Publish changes

or

• Save changes and Save and publish

I would prefer the first suggestion because human brain would decode the difference between both options starting with the first letters "S" & "P". On the second suggestion the decoding would start not before the sixth letter on "Save c" & "Save a". And in many other languages the terms for "Save" and "Publish" start with distinguishable letters, too (FR: "Enregistrer/Publier", DE: "Sichern/Veröffentlichen", RU: "сохранять/опубликова́ть", ES: "Guardar/Publicar", IT: "Salva/Pubblicare" etc. pp.)

Misc.:

•  I am not 100% fine with the behaviour of the "link editor" but I still did not figure out what I would suggest to improve it (improve it from my POV). I don't.
• It takes long until the editor opens in Firefox. In Chromium it's good.

Keep on keeping on the good work!

Thanks for your comments; I really appreciate it. Here are some quick comments:

1. Redlinks in previews: This is phab:T153535. A solution is (hopefully) on the way in the next week or two.
2. Changes to the Save button: A split button is being discussed ('click here to start the save process, but you can choose preview from a dropdown'; see phab:T153306 and related tasks), and a change will probably happen soon.
3. Combined view: Do you mean that you want a side-by-side dynamic display (edit this side, change shows immediately in the other side), or merely that you want to be able to see the preview and the wikitext code at the same time (which is phab:T155732)?
4. Save/Publish: You might be interested in a recent discussion at Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier .
5. Link editor: It's better than it used to be, but IMO it still needs work. Feel free to start a new thread if you have any ideas.
6. Performance: At the moment, I think that the speed is worst in Firefox. Performance is not the devs' main focus this quarter, but they are aware of the problems.

> Redlinks in previews: This is phab:T153535. A solution is (hopefully) on the way in the next week or two.

According to the phabricator task, this will probably be available today in mediawiki.org, and this week everywhere else, unless something unexpected happens ....

Oops, mediawiki.org tomorrow...

Redlinks now fixed.

Hi, I am sorry to be a downer but I much prefer the old source editor for a number of reasons:

• This one takes a long time to load with my connection
• It's a pain to preview the page and confusing since you have to "save changes" first. Previously it was one click.

I could live with the rest of the changes (which aren't particularly helpful for me personally) but these are real deal breakers for me so I would much appreciate having the option to use the old source editor. Thanks. ~~~~

Thanks for sharing your views.

The team has no plans to remove the 2010 WikiEditor. (There are lots of editing tools that could be called "the old editor".) You can keep using it if you like it better.

Performance is a problem for a number of editors, especially on larger pages. They're planning to try something different for the Preview issue – a button that lets you "Save changes", but has an option to skip straight to "Preview" first. Also, the same keyboard shortcuts work in the most popular old editors as well as this one.

Thanks for your replies. I meant with "Combined view" to see the preview and the wikitext code at the same time - which is phab:T155732 as you mentioned.

(Using WikiVoyage) I don't like it. Slow to load, seems "clunky" visually (less text on more screen) and the Insert Listings is missing (very useful and important) - to the point I've given-up trying it ~~~~

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T96710

I don't know when that request will be fulfilled, but I do think that it will happen some day. In the meantime, you can Insert > Template to add the listings templates (or click "Add listing" to use the listing editor).