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Most common languages of France

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Nouill (talkcontribs)
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Amire80 told me to that a possible lead is to find data concerning the main languages spoken in France. That way, it would be possible to change the CLDR used by the CLL. But I've found nothing so far (INSEE, DGLFLF...). @Xenophôn, can you help?

Nouill (talkcontribs)

http://www.ined.fr/lili_efl2010/cahier_ined_156/ci_156_partie_8.30.pdf => "Institut national d'études démographiques" (Ined) studied that the main language (other that french) in Ile-de-France (12 millions habitants => Paris and around Paris) are in 1999 :

  • English (18 %, not 39 % and this is surely the more english-speaking region)
  • Arabic (5 %)
  • Spanish (5 %)
  • Portuguese (4 %)
  • Deutsch (~2 %)
  • Italian (~2 %)
  • Regional language (1 %) => (Ile-de-France don't have local/regional language)

http://www.ined.fr/fichier/s_rubrique/18724/pop_et_soc_francais_376.fr.pdf => show that the main language (other that french) in France which are transmitted to children in 1999 (so the regional language are surely more low now) are :

  • Arabic (500 k)
  • Alsatian (400 k)
  • Portuguese (350 k)
  • Oïl language (300 k)
  • Spanish (290k)
  • English (280 K)
  • Occitan language (250 k)
  • Italian (200k)
  • Deutsch (150k)

http://www.onisep.fr/Parents/Cartographie-des-principales-langues-vivantes-enseignees-au-college-a-la-rentree-2016 and http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/5177349/3-25092014-AP-FR.PDF/fce15e33-b870-4f68-9c06-0bb906186ec9?version=1.0 => Show that the 3 languages that are studied in school in France are English, Spanish and Deutsch.

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_386_en.pdf (page 23 (on pdf) or 21 (on the document)) => show that the foreign language those are comprehended in France are :

  • English (39 %)
  • Spanish (13 %)
  • Deutsch (6 %)

http://languageknowledge.eu/countries/france (is reporting the previous source) indicate that main languages spoken in France are :

  • English (24%)
  • Spanish (9 %)
  • Deutsch (5 %)
  • Italian (3 %)
  • Arabic (2 %)
  • Portuguese (2 %)

http://www.culturecommunication.gouv.fr/content/download/93537/841041/version/4/file/lc_10_occitan_def.pdf (page 5) show that in Provence in the same survey in 1999, the people who speak those language with others peoples are (the text say that the values are underestimated) :

  • English 4,4 %
  • Italian 2,6 %
  • Spanish 2,4 %
  • Arabic 2,2 %
  • Occitan 2,2 %
Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Wow. Great job!

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Nouill (talkcontribs)

The Ined data isn't about education. The two links (and other that doestn't found) resume a survey on 380 000 peoples => "l'enquête famille de l'Insee-Ined de 1999". That I think is one of the main references on the subject. The picture 5 of http://www.ined.fr/lili_efl2010/cahier_ined_156/ci_156_partie_8.30.pdf speak explicitely about spearker. http://www.ined.fr/fichier/s_rubrique/18724/pop_et_soc_francais_376.fr.pdf is about language transmission in familly, it is incomplet because it doesn't include language of immigrant, or language learn in school, but that show clearly that the CLDR is very incomplete.

More generally, I don't very happy with the CLDR, because I see that highlight regional language and english. And I have the feeling that modify that CLDR is very long. And I don't thing the french community (which can be heavily against the dev when they want) will wait 6 month or more, to have deutsch, spanish, arabic, etc, on default setting, and I think that they will rapidly ask to remove the feature if it does not be improve.

Trizek (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It is possible to rollback the change made to display a list of languages on the Main page, until we find the relevant data and fix it. @Amire80, what do you think?

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