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In five minutes anonymous has made 54 changes https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0/Flow&limit=100&action=history

1)to undo his actions have to do again 54 actions

2)he changed the topic title - (from "Horror..." to "") - it turned out that this cannot be undone. When the topic title not in English, for example Russian, in the field "from" fit smaller number of letters. If the topic name is long, it is not entirely fit - " from "Horror..." ". In the history page the line has a buttons "solved" and "hide", but there is no button "cancel" - thus the last part of the title of the topic is lost forever!

3)you can unhide the answer, but but cancel is not working as expected - it turns out that I'm getting a new author as the last editor for summary, for the posts of other users, and so the theme goes up. And it says that I've changed it, although I wanted only to undo the vandalism, returning back the old dates and text for last the real authors of the text. Expected that the cancel will return the oldest date and the previous value of the "last changed text was the user".

Hello Sunpirat

I forgot to answer your questions, sorry. :/

1) We know. that's a problem. However, the Nuke option now works for that.

2) I'll ask @Etonkovidova to have a look at that problem.

3) Just to confirm, you mean that unsuppress a comment creates a new entry in the History of Flow and attributes the edit to the sysop instead of the original author?

3) A new entry in the history - it is OK.

Developers are allowed all users to edit posts after a certain time after starting the Flow. Perhaps this part was designed earlier, when was not allow to all.

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:T9uj52wvz4druk45&action=history I see it:

23:22, 17 August 2016 . . Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talk | contribs) edited a comment on "TestingAReallyLongTopicNameThatShouldReallyWrapItself" . . (-1)‎ (undo|hide)
Edited by Roan Kattouw (WMF) 18 August 2016 2:22 AM

When it's vandalism, I can only "undo". In the flow for reading, "post date" and "last changed by user" is displayed as "new" information (new last, new date). I did not "make changes" in message. I was expecting to see the old information that was before the vandalism (author before the vandalism, date before the vandalism). I would like to hide "the version", not to suppress (history for all) as the sysop. (But you can hide only entire post). If for vandalism you are encouraged to fight through to suppress, then the flow-suppress right also had to distribute a larger number of users.

Suppression we use only when obscene language. With the vandalism we use a rollback to the previous version.

Hi, Sunpriat!

Thank you for your detailed descriptions of issues.

1) Unfortunately, Extension:Nuke won't solve the issue of reverting multiple edits. Extension:Nuke works on deleting multiple pages. For wikitext based pages, the 'rollback multiple edits' is a very convenient option and that option should be implemented for Flow boards too. I am going to file a phabricator task for several issues with rolling back edits/changes on Flow boards/topics.

2) Here are two things

- I checked on how long topic titles are displayed in View history - checked both in English and in Russian. Topic titles are allowed to have 260 bytes and all of them are displayed in View history entries. It might be(although it does not seem to be the case you described) that if a topic is deleted/suppressed, some users cannot see the topic title. Can you provide a link to View history where you observed that topic titles are not displayed entirely?

- and, yes, rollback of changes in topic titles is not implemented. I will add it to the phab ticket I am going to file for the above case (in #1).

3) Yes, the 'undo' action for Summary edits will be attributed to a user who was performing 'undo' action as e.g. 'Summary last edited by [the user who performed 'undo' on Summary edits']. The phrasing probably needs some clarification or rephrasing. It seems that some discussion is needed on what information there will be most useful to users (and another phab task).

4) situation in the description of the Board: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0/Flow&action=history

(cur prev) 15:29, 26 October 2016 . . 95.49.124.43 (talk) edited the description . . (-28)‎ undo
(cur prev) 15:29, 26 October 2016 . . 95.49.124.43 (talk) edited the description . . (-627)‎ undo

there was a well-decorated description. a vandal came and made some edits in the description

problem: it is impossible to return to an older version - "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits.":

- apparently you can only sequentially undo changes

- it is impossible to access the wiki-text of the old version. The wiki-text of the old version, I can only see through the history and compare revisions. I can't do it comfortably fully open as the wiki-text and copy-paste with new edit or write old version over new. it only remains to copy paragraphs from the comparison of edits in the history

You also cannot see (filter, group) history of the Board description. The history of the Board description can see just thumbing through the pages of the whole Board history or using the next/previous edit - it's uncomfortable

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2) I didn't notice that there is an active (cur prev topic). Then there is no problem. Yes, long headers are displayed completely (in contrast to beginning content of the posts in history page), thanks for the clarification.

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3) And in the Topic Summary and in the Post. Yes. Imagine that in the Topic from 2016, a lot of messages will change vandal in 2026 and verse will be "changed in 2026". Thus we are creating a plaque to commemorate the vandal. Here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow/Functional_Specifications/Moderation,_Protection,_and_Refactoring - it is not clear - we can suppress(so not to be seen the (last edit) date of the vandal version) one version of the post or we can only the whole post?

@Sunpriat

I filed talked to the team and filed a phabricator task about usability issues with View history for Flow board - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150219. You may want to review to make sure that I've captured all points mentioned by you correctly.

Re #4

- the Suppress actions are not displayed to all users. The suppress action won't be displayed to the author of the post which was suppressed. I mentioned it as a question for discussion in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150219.

- when suppressing a post - all versions will suppressed. Even if 'suppress' is applied only to a certain revision, the entire post will be gone. Suppressing a topic applies to a current state of an entire topic (users cannot select specific revisions to suppress).