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WP for Norwegian bokmål has voted against

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Dyveldi (talkcontribs)

Answer to the vote on Norwegian bokmål was the users being against this change and we want it rolled back. We want the "old" alphabetical language list for all users that are not logged on. We want the personal preferences of all registered users changed back to turned off. Everybody who want this option should be free to turn it on and everybody else should not be forced to turn it off.

The complete discussion and the vote as it was of 23. August 2016 in Norwegian can be found here: https://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Tinget&oldid=16610928

Summary of the vote in English:

-- This change was introduced without anyone asking what the editors on Wikipedia in Norwegian bokmål wanted. The change resulted in all users on Norwegian bokmål had their preferences changed and if anyone reads Wikipedia in Norwegian bokmål not-logged-in they were shown a changed and reduced visible liste of languages.

-- The change was implemented while most of Norway had their summer holidays. The discussion has been in the most common holiday period and the week after and this would normally result in a not very high participation in votes and discussions.

-- The discussion has become long and complex with a lot of sub themes which also often results in fewer and fewer active participants. The discussion contains a lot of text, when a reader turns his og her attention to the discussion it is not always clear what is new since the reader last read the discussion and in addition it can be unclear what the purpose with some of the sub themes. Some independent discussions have also been posted in week 29 and 20. All this influences the amount of participators and their participation.

-- There is also a separate discussion on this page belonging to the project.

-- 28 registered users have participated in the discussion and in addition some unregistered users (ip-adresses). 14 users chose to use the option to voice their opinion in form of a vote.

-- 13 users voted for the DLL change to be rolled back (1 user was strictly speaking half an hour late and I am uncertain if this has to do with a local time or if the user really was late). 1 user has voted to keep the change. Looking at the remaining participants who did not vote does not change the fact that a majority is against the change. Of the remaining 15 who have written about their opinion in the discussion 7 have as far as I can see been very critical or clearly said that they wanted it turned off, 4 have been positive and 4 have been critical albeit not as clearly as the previously mentioned 7. No ip-adresses have voted but 8 different ip-s have been very negative to this change. It is not possible to ascertain how many persons these ip-s represent.

-- Jeblad has chosen not to use the possibility to vote. He has contributed with over 30% of the posts in the discussion and is interpreted as positive to keep this change. Jeblad has also posted 5 Phabricator-discussions. This is a lot of contributions and a very high activity, but he is counted as one user conclusively positive to the change.

-- The discussion has also led to several users finding out how to change their personal preferences, but how many who have turned this off is not known. Some users have made an active choose and kept it. This is however not possible to turn off for users reading not-logged-in.

-- Altogether 20 of the 28 participants in the discussion do not want this change. 4 users are critical of the system. 4 of the 28 participants are positive.

-- This is a solid majority whichever way this discussion and/or vote is summarized. I can't but conclude that the majority is lage enough to warrant the change being rolled back to the way it was. Users who want it can turn it on of their own volition, not-logged-in users get the complete alphabetical list back.

-- Please listen to our wish and roll the change bak to being voluntary to turn on. Regards from user Dyveldi.

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