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Immediately remove this bullshit

Matthiasb (talkcontribs)

Aside from being bullshit, this extenson is breaching the NPOV and therefore a no-go. Aside that it is an association blaster par excellence.

Concerning German Wikipedia it also breaches w:de:Wikipedia:Themenring. Please remove this ASAP.

Jkatz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Matthiasb I am the product manager responsible for this feature. I did not realize there was a specific principle from German Wikipedia being violated here. I will look into at my earliest convenience and get back to you.

As a side note, I hope you can use more humane, specific language moving forward, as denigrations like "bullshit" undermine your important points. We rolled this out in beta to hear feedback, and I want to make sure your feedback get's heard without bias.

SSneg (talkcontribs)

@Jkatz (WMF) The basic idea of that policy (which also exists in Russian wiki, so we're talking about 3+ million articles in two languages) is that "topical web ring" type of templates are discouraged because they are usually built via original research and contain only a subset of information. Like "Most famous WW2 planes" or "Miscellaneous Simpsons articles".

I'm not sure I support the DE/RU policy against web rings but it is what it is and the feature should be an opt-in for all wikipedias.

Jkatz (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@SSneg Thank you for the additional context. Having viewed the google-translated pages, I am 100% positive I am not the one to evaluate whether or not the policy is accepted and whether or not it applies to this feature. @SSneg and @Matthiasb Do you know if there is a good non-partisan way to bring both sides of this issue to DE/RU and see if the policy holds and applies to this feature?

I think opt-in makes sense, btw. I don't think we want to push this feature where it is not wanted.

Viciarg (talkcontribs)

Just by thinking about the money that was senselessly invested in the development of this mess I feel violated. For heaven's sake, please *think before* you start with any new features ...

SSneg (talkcontribs)

@Viciarg First of all, you do not know how much money was invested. Secondly, this appears to be a useful feature of an open source mediawiki engine, which is used in far more situations that on Wikipedia. E.g. I'm happy to use it in our corporate mediawiki installation. And even inside Wikipedias this can be useful depending on community policies in specific wikis.

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