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DePiep (talkcontribs)

I see that the title attribute, when set, does not show with hovercards. I compare:

  • [[Wiki]]: Wiki
  • <span title="Let's add a title">[[Wiki]]</span>: Wiki

The second one does not show a title.

Unfortunately, I can only test & demo this in (my) enwiki. The issue shows after saving (that is, the issue reproduces). Any more information needed?

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hmm, I understand these are automatically applied to all internal links, as explained in m:Help:Link#.22Hover_box.22_on_links, but who are the main users of this function, and for what specific purposes? Is there a particular (set of) use-cases, or demographics, that need or benefit from this?

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H33.html ("H33: Supplementing link text with the title attribute") seems to suggest that it isn't for accessibility purposes, but rather for supplementary info. Is that an accurate interpretation?

Sidenote: This reminded me to check, and it doesn't seem to interfere at w:Amphetamine with the Abbreviations (infobox: "half-life") and Pronunciation (lead sentence), nor at w:Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night with a linked Abbreviation (infobox: OCLC)


Aha! Your code order is incorrect. You need this: [[Wiki|<span title="Let's add a title">Wiki</span>]]: Wiki

I'm still curious as to who the main users are, though! :)

DePiep (talkcontribs)

Thanks. So: 1. Corrected code provided; 2. Abbreviation works OK; 3. "Who are the main users for this?" Me! You wrote my planned follow-up question ;-) . I'm working on a linked abbreviation (like your OCLC example is).

The situation: I applied some wikilink+<abbr> in: en:Template:Kennedy family tree/sandbox (this version), see e.g. abbr "Ftz-H" in row four. The abbr expands, and the link is an page-internal link, #anchored: [[#Ftz-H_parent|.. label code (=abbr tag) goes here...]].

The workings: The abbr-wikilink shows as expected (both underlines). Hovering the abbreviation expands nicely in a "tooltip". Clicking an abbr-wikilink makes the cursor jump nicely to the target anchor.

Complication/distraction in the example topic: anchors are mutually paired (the target location is an abbr-wikilink too. It jumps back to the original one. In the graph, it is to replace a too long connecting family line: parents-child).

The question: Combining wikilink and abbr is curious. Still, I think top level W3C design allows it by principle. Is there a reason to *discourage* its usage from this top level point of view?

A secondary question: is there a problem in this with hovercards? (I say secondary, because IMO hovercards can not dictate/overrule W3C guidelines). With me, they show OK with "tooltip" abbr in foreground.

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hmm, I think (IMHO...) that your usage of wikilink+abbr is fine (and interesting :)

and also that it's ok to have both the hovercard and the abbr-tooltip co-existing, because as you say, the tooltip is in the foreground (top-most layer).

So, we should be all good? :)

DePiep (talkcontribs)

All clear & fine. Thanx.

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ZOON02 (talkcontribs)

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