Topic on Talk:Page Previews/Flow

When hovering the "→‎" symbol on history pages (the one that is created in edit summaries when editing a section) hovercards are shown erroneously.

Question: I actually wanted to report this as a bug in bugzilla but was not sure which component would have been appropriate. Would "BetaFeatures" have been OK or is this only for bugs regarding the feature "BetaFeatures" itself in contrast to the features offered as BetaFeatures?

Patrick87: Re: "→‎" are you suggesting that Hovercards shouldn't show anything on that arrow, or that it should preview the actual subsection's content as Navpopups does (or tries to do)?

Re: bugs: I've linked to the proper bug-component on the project page, at Beta Features/Hovercards#Code - it's MediaWiki Extensions->Popups" (just to be confusing ;)

Quiddity: Yes, I think there shouldn't be any Hovercard on the arrow.

• All necessary information (author, date of edit, etc.) is on the history page anyway
• When actually hovering the arrow I'd say in 99.9% of all cases one wants to click it anyway, so there's no need to show the sections content in a hovercard.

The same applies for user names and the links to their respective talk pages on history pages. They do not carry any really useful data. Instead often a hovercard pops up when one actually did not want it and hides useful information (like the following entry in the history).

Other locations where hovercards are shown in error (at least in my opinion) are:

• Links to user / user talk pages
• Probably every Wikilink which does not link to article namespace (I don't think hovercards to e.g. help/projectpages are particularly useful)

Instead those should continue to have the title attribute shown as tooltip as before (otherwise it becomes impossible currently to tell where some links will lead except for looking at the URL)

Patrick87: The User page hovercards aren't very good right now, but they will be improved. See this mockup for what the developers are planning: File:NavigationPopups Usernames-10.png

Nicereddy: I don't like it.

I think Hovercards should be exclusively shown on pages in article namespace (e.g. when reading Wikipedia). They are rather obstructive everywhere else (when contributing to Wikipedia).

The current mockup for user pages makes me think about post counters in discussion forums (which are an endless source of controversy and add nothing constructive). If I want to know more of a user I visit his user page. And even then I only want to get this info once whereas the hovercards will be present on each and every post of a user in a discussion which is utterly pointless.

Patrick87: I disagree with Hovercards being useful only for articles, as the casual viewer would rarely - if ever - see a User link unless they were on a Talk page for some reason. It's an editor feature, and only editors will realistically ever encounter it. I also don't think it'd be particularly difficult to avoid hovering over user names.

At the same time, your concern with the User cards brings up a good point, and I think I'd agree with your point about the triviality of the edit count. Someone with 100 edits may have written 10 whole articles with just those edits, whereas someone with 1000 may have just done a lot of minor copyediting. There's no reason to compare the edit counts as though they matter, and they really only help sustain the "I have more edits, therefore my opinion is worth more" culture of Wikipedia.

I would prefer if a user was able to set a custom message in their User card, perhaps via Preferences?

Nicereddy: I like your idea; it's kind of like signatures are for users of vBulletin-based sites.