How will this "flow" have anything that we expect from talk pages? How would one fix other people's comments? Archive discussions? Revert vandalism? Hat unwanted posts? Also, this is just making WP look more and more like a social network. It's a solution in search of a problem. Newbies already know how to edit talk pages. The worst thing that happens with the current system is newbies forgetting to sign their posts, which doesn't cause too many problems what with SineBot singing posts. IMO the only useful thing coming from flow is being able to watch individual threads. King jakob c 2 (talk) 20:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Topic on Talk:Flow Portal/Archive2
You may perhaps wish to actually play around with it before you react with such hostility.
You may consider that a) perhaps he or she did play around with it, but didn't save his efforts (or made them as an IP), and b) if you get this kind of hostility, perhaps you may consider why he or she has that reaction instead of just ignoring it. Ignoring negative feedback, even if in part parhaps unfounded, is one of the things that caused the whole VE fiasco (being an extremely immature product was the main reason, but the way WMF handled the deployment and the feedback was a major contributing factor). Treating people who give their feedback here, in the way you just did, is just repeating the same issues.
OK, I've looked around in Talk:Sandbox, and see that I can hat unwanted posts. However, if someone vandalizes my talkpage, I don't want to collapse the vandalism, I want to revert it. And also, I don't want an infinitely long string of messages on my page, which would happen if I couldn't archive it. Furthermore, while I personally archive messages instead of deleting them, others prefer to delete them, which seems to be impossible with flow. Finally, and rather ironically, I find the whole layout to be rather clumsy and counter-intuitive. King jakob c 2 (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi King jakob c 2: Thanks for the more detailed feedback. I've added those points to my notes as:
- Want to "delete" some posts (e.g. tests/vandalism, newsletters, etc), rather than "hiding" them.
- Want to be able to "archive" topics (or somehow remove them from the main display).
Both of those have also been mentioned by other editors, and are good points.
Note: Please put further feedback about features at Talk:Flow (or en:Wikipedia talk:Flow), and more detailed comments/suggestions about the layout&design at en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ, so that other editors are more likely to see and be able to contribute. Much thanks!
Thank you.