Topic on Talk:Page Curation

From what I'm reading here, a page that has been marked as patrolled would no longer be available in the NPP portal at all. This would be a terrible step back. When I do NPP, I don't care whether pages are marked as patrolled or not, and there isn't that much difference in quality of articles between them. Looking at the current NP log at the English wikipedia, I see pages marked as patrolled like "Brüggen (needs moving) and Dr. Liston Bochette III (an unsourced BLP that needs moving, but a bigger problem is that it is a copyright violation of ). I don't mind people who only check unpatrolled pages, but the option to see all recently created pages, independent of their patrol status, needs to remain available.

Another major problem is that pages that have been created in the userspace and get moved to the main namespace need to be added to the NP queue as well. Currently this is not the case, and it lets many problematic articles slip through. Fram 08:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps special:new pages should be programmed to have a four-tier colour highlighting code for the duration of its 30 days, for example:

1. Yellow = unpatrolled (not edited since creation)
2. Orange = has received minor edits and/or maintenance tags (stubs, orphan, uncat, typos, moves for typos in page name, format, copyediting, linkrot, etc.)
3. Red = Has been CSD, PROD, AfD'd, or tagged for serious issues such as Copyvio, noref, linkspam, etc.
4. Green (or no colour) = passed OK for inclusion (perhaps with only minor deficiencies).

Additionally, and as part of the editor retention policy, Twinkle could place polite messages on the creator's tp when a new article is tagged for maintenance, rather than only when tagged for some form of deletion. This is something I do regularly, manually, using my own custom messages.

I agree that we need a multi-colour solution. But I wouldn't combine those that need urgent attention with those that have been tagged for deletion and most non-admins would want to ignore. I'd also add an extra choice for New page patrollers, instead of simply "mark as patrolled" give them two buttons. "Ready for mainspace" and "Goodfaith but needs attention" this could then support the following colours:

• Red - probable badfaith article. Contains rude words or other tell-tale phrases, or the author has recently been templated for G3 or G10 creation.
• Yellow other new articles not yet marked as patrolled - much as at present. But maybe a darker shade of yellow.
• pale yellow - a patroller has looked at this article and clicked "Goodfaith but needs attention"
• Grey - currently in the deletion process.
• White - pretty much as now but without the articles tagged for deletion.

As a further refinement we could create an extra flag for confirmed article creator, this could be given to editors who aren't ready for the Autopatroller flag but who contribute large numbers of articles. As their articles don't need urgent attention this could take much of the pressure off newpage patrol and particularly the front of the queue.

The default for special new pages at the front of the queue would be red and dark yellow only. This would be a much more manageable flow that would hopefully lead to fewer errors from people rushing to stay on top of the flow.

Advantages:

1. We would be able to easily find and look at the articles that no-one has even eyeballed or approved the author. Currently there are some badfaith articles that slip past the front of the queue in its busiest moments and aren't looked at until they reach the back of the queue perhaps a month later.
2. Inexperienced patrollers needn't waste their time looking at articles that fellow new patrollers are unsure of - they can leave the pale yellows to those who are confident in dealing with them.
3. There is no longer a need to mark articles with deletion tags as patrolled
4. When someone removes a deletion tag the article reverts to yellow for unpatrolled rather than as at present remaining white.
5. Inexperienced patrollers may be less likely to fall into the trap of expecting there to be a speedy deletion category for everything. Where currently they may be hesitating and not sure what to do they would now have a button to mark an article as Goodfaith, and move on.
6. It would be a simpler system with less actual rework and greater opportunity for people to target the specific areas they are interested in.

Thank you (all three of you) these notes. They're really, really helpful in thinking about the different layers of patrolling required.