Topic on Talk:Page Curation

Ironholds (talkcontribs)

Some ideas for the tooltips under each "mark as patrolled but also..." and "mark for deletion because..." entry. In terms of objective readability algorithms, I'm looking at these drafts through SMOG Index; a good one would be between 15 and 16 on the scale (Gunning Fog relies too much on punctuation, which with tooltips could lead to under-estimations). Ironholds 01:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

  • Change Title: If you have been editing for four days and have made at least ten edits, you can change this page's title. Changing a title should be done where the existing title contains spelling mistakes, problems with the grammar, or is simply incorrect. If you find you cannot change the title, leave a message at the requested moves page and an administrator will do it for you. (Smog Index:15.5)
Jorm (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I will use this as the example when I get around to it.

Kudpung (talkcontribs)

Ironholds' suggestion is important. Patrollers encounter a large number of new pages with poorly spellt, mis-punctuated, or inappropriate page titles. Most new page creators are unaware of the 'move' feature, and their common errorr is to simply create another new page with the correct title.

On en.Wiki there is currently no explanation readily available to new users for moving pages, and the term 'move' is itself confusing. As a very new user, I could neither understand nor figure out whay it is impossible to reedit a pagename, and I made copypaste 'moves' because I did not know any better, and would not have known how or where to look for the instructions.

Although perhaps slightly off-topic in this thread, maybe it could be considered to software-force non autoconfirmed users to use the preview button before they can use the save button. This would also address the very common error of creating the grey boxes that are caused by paragraph indentations. it's actually quite amazing that so many new editors do not review their created pages immediately and make the obvious corrections (actually, paragraph indents are not such an obvious cause). My own opinion is that many of these errors are made by SPA, CIO, and SEO agents in their haste to get their new page online and indexed by Google. More often than not, such pages are anyway destined to be deleted by one process or another.

More instructions of this kind are needed on the edit window page, but will probably adequately addressed in the proposed new Article Creation Flow interface.

Σ (talkcontribs)

Another thing I've seen new users often do is create an article, and then copy/paste the article's content to a new title, possibly to create what they think redirects are.

He7d3r (talkcontribs)
Raindrift (talkcontribs)

I totally agree with the general point about the readability of tooltips. I hadn't considered an objective readability index for that, and it's a great idea.

Regarding this specific example, it should be fairly trivial to make the tools aware of the patroller's current userrights, and adapt the text accordingly. Also, I believe the patrol status in Special:NewPages isn't available to non-autoconfirmed users. The new tool should mirror that (autoconfirmed required to patrol), so the text regarding whether the user's autoconfirmed is irrelevant.