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Couple of issues impacting mobile display/discussion

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Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)

1) The entire content is collapsed under a single heading on the page "MediaWiki is a collaboration and documentation platform brought to you by a vibrant community.".

Solution: wrap the whole content in a DIV this will disable section collapsing on mobile and make the page more usable.

2) The talk button is inaccessible

The title is hacked with opacity:0;position:absolute; which impacts the talk tab. There should be no need to do this - the template is used on the main page not here.

Please remove this code: {{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="opacity:0;position:absolute;">{{FULLPAGENAME}}</span>}}

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Regarding: 2) Does (some of) the | #default= {{#invoke:Template translation|renderTranslatedTemplate|template=Template:Main page|noshift=1|uselang={{{1|{{int:lang}}}}}}}<!-- -->{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}||{{languages|Template:Main page}}}} }} part at the bottom also need removal? I obviously have no idea why that's here or what needs to be done.

Someone feel free to go ahead.

Krinkle (talkcontribs)

There should be no need to do this - the template is used on the main page not here.

The displaytitle code exists to hide the page title on the main page. Removing this code would make it no longer do that. I'm not sure in what way Template vs Main page matters, except that the rendering of the main page seems more important than this individual template page, so let's not just remove this :) Perhaps you can suggest an alternative way instead?

Jdlrobson (talkcontribs)

The main page title can be hidden using MediaWiki:Common.css - that's how most of wikis tend to do it. Mobile doesn't render the heading on main pages (that should probably be the default on desktop too but it isn't).

Majavah (talkcontribs)

1) is now Yes Done. 2) needs an IAdmin to complete, maybe @DannyS712 can help us here?

DannyS712 (talkcontribs)

Sure - do I understand correctly that the request (from me) is to use Common.css to hide the title from being displayed on the main page? If so, adding

.action-view.page-MediaWiki {
	display: none !important;
}

to common.css should be enough

Majavah (talkcontribs)

Uhhh, not sure if that's enough. The same treatment should be applied to all translated versions.

DannyS712 (talkcontribs)

Then I'll also apply it to .rootpage-Template_Main_page which will cover the translations

When will there be support for php7.4?

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Nsturtz2 (talkcontribs)

Php7.4 is what I use so is there a beta version for mediawiki compatible with php 7.4

BDavis (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Off topic for this page which is for discussion of the MediaWiki page content and not the general software product. Project:Support desk is potentially a better place to ask. I imagine the answer will be "we don't know", but I might be wrong. :)

Main page translations don't show

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Sycaton (talkcontribs)

The Main page template is used with the parameter 1 set to en which prevents translated content from being shown on the Main Page. The parameter should be removed. (Invalid parameters will lead to the page being shown in English, so there wouldn't be a resulting problem.)

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Yes Done

Sycaton (talkcontribs)

Thank you!

Pppery (talkcontribs)
Shirayuki (talkcontribs)

Latest Stable Builds Conveniently on the Main Page

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Lyrixn (talkcontribs)

Is there a good convincing reason as to why the latest stable builds are no longer listed on mediawiki wiki's main page?

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Why is it important to you to see the specific numbers of the latest stable builds on the main page?

Lyrixn (talkcontribs)

It was both convenient to download and track the latest stable and LTS builds. By the way I'm talking about this box: https://i.imgur.com/7WNmVzY.png that was still there not long ago (a few months ago at most).

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

If you want to download and track latest builds, feel free to bookmark Download.

I see no reason for such information to waste space on the front page. See "If people want to download MediaWiki they should go to the Download page" on MediaWiki/Homepage improvements 2018.

Lyrixn (talkcontribs)

Who decides what wastes space on the main page and what doesn't? Was there a discussion where the majority agreed that the box that's been there for years is no longer relevant? All I see on the project you linked that it was decided (probably by you) that the box should be removed and that's that. The discussion page on that same project has little to no reference or actual discussion on this topic.

I quote from the source you linked: "I doubt anyone informs themselves about a need for an upgrade of their installation by visiting the front page and then manually comparing with their version."

"I doubt" - you doubt so that automatically means that no one does that. Well I did exactly that and I'm more than confident that there were a lot of people who did exactly that as well, but obviously they aren't being so vocal about it. For most of the people this wiki is a resource for the software.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Lyrixn (talkcontribs)

I do see you being the only participant in these, unless I'm missing something.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)
X-Savitar (talkcontribs)
Gerdesj (talkcontribs)

I have the following table on my corp wiki - use the source editor to actually read it:

{{#get_web_data:url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&format=json
|format=JSON
|data=wp_servername=servername,wp_generator=generator
|cache seconds=21600}}
 {{#get_web_data:url=https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&format=json
|format=JSON
|data=mw_servername=servername,mw_generator=generator
|cache seconds=21600}}
{{#external_value:mw_servername}}: {{#external_value:mw_generator}} {{#external_value:wp_servername}}: {{#external_value:wp_generator}} www.mediawiki.org: 1.35.0-wmf.30 (765c95b)

It might come in handy.

Wording and style suggestions for frontpage

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JCrespo (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I have some suggestions of minor changes to the frontpage:

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJCrespo_%28WMF%29%2Fmain_page&type=revision&diff=3550799&oldid=3550760

Mine are not that great, and very open to discussion, but I think it improves a bit the searching of information (what I think is important can be certainly argued against, and I may be showing my biases, despite trying to think on "new users first"). As a problem I had, I tried to look for "how to start coding?" link and was unable to find it, despite knowing it was here.

CC @AKlapper (WMF).

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@JCrespo (WMF): Thanks! I can offer my feedback but note that I don't see myself as some gatekeeper or maintainer here. I agree with nearly all changes, except for the last one where I'm not sure if "How to start contributing to Wikimedia" is more guiding: My main intention might not be to "contribute" something, but to get hands on some code and find a project for that. ("Contribute" always felt vague to me as it can mean so many things - contribute food? thoughts? money? code?)

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

(Oh wait, I realize that maybe editing that page requires some special permissions maybe?)

JCrespo (WMF) (talkcontribs)

> requires some special permissions maybe

Indeed it does, I cannot edit it directly.

> Choose a software project to hack on

That is confusing to me. I agree my suggestion is not ok either. I would be happy to have a better 3 option. Something in the vein of "Start coding <something>" or something that doesn't include "hack" (no problem for me with it, but I think its confusing for newcomers) and that is not "choose", something more explicit in a couple of words.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@JCrespo (WMF) "Start working on the code of a project", maybe? (I don't dare currently to make the other edits because as usual, I don't understand all that <translate> markup, sigh.)

JCrespo (WMF) (talkcontribs)

"Start coding for a Wikimedia project"? (shorter)

Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I've added the bolding and the link-label change.

However changing the 3 "Learn ..." links is much more complicated, because currently the existing translations are embedded within link-syntax, hence if we did something like this, then the previously translated text would end up without any links until a translator noticed the problem (in each language). [IIUC]. -- It's especially problematic here because the system doesn't seem to be rendering the pink-background color for outdated sections, as it's meant to.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your help, Quiddity! (And JCrespo for the improvements!)

JCrespo (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thanks, I am happy as it is now! Thanks both!

Ranjithsiji (talkcontribs)

If we have a good big download button on the home page to download mediawiki then that will be better. The link is OK. But If we can have a button then it is great.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Ranjithsiji: No I disagree. Most people do not come for "downloading". No problem is solved if you click a big download button and then cannot find what to do with that downloaded file.

Ranjithsiji (talkcontribs)

@AKlapper (WMF) I think the primary subject of this website is mediawiki. That is why I suggested this. I completely agree with you that most people may not here for downloading. But I think that the main subject of this website is to popularize or solve problems related to mediawiki. So in the first point download must be notable. One more the download button must not start the download instantly instead redirect it to the download and install instructions page.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Mobin2008 (talkcontribs)

I want to translate the Wikimedia home page into Persian. How should I do this?

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Other languages also at the top

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Summary by Kghbln

De-duplicated. Thanks. :)

Kghbln (talkcontribs)

Somebody added the "Other languages" section to show also at the top of translated pages. Now it shows at the top and the bottom. I think it should be removed from the top since it is duplicated content and not very good for people who access via mobile devices.

Ainz Ooal Gown (talkcontribs)

Are you sure? Looks to me other languages section is only available at the bottom of the main page.

Kghbln (talkcontribs)

I am talking about the translated pages. And yes, it is also inconsistent to the source page, i.e. English Main Page.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)
DannyS712 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for catching that

Ainz Ooal Gown (talkcontribs)
DannyS712 (talkcontribs)

done

Ainz Ooal Gown (talkcontribs)

I trust that all translated versions of the main page have been fixed? If so, please close this topic.

How and where to request activation for WMF projects of the Jmol extension?

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Griot Matteo (talkcontribs)

sorry, for practicality I created a new topic.

as the title suggests, much clearer than before, I would be interested in understanding how and where to request activation of the Jmol extension, existing on mediawiki, for wikipedia pages.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)
Griot Matteo (talkcontribs)

once again, I'm sorry, unfortunately I'm new to the whole platform with regards to these things.

If I didn't understand it I would have to ask in the already opened tasks to see if you can already integrate the 3D visualization of jmol in the wikipedia pages, right?

I ask only because when I looked at mediawiki I found that the Jmol extension already exists (Extension:Jmol).

Sorry for all these questions but you are the only one available to explain things for a moment and give me useful links.

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There is no need to ask in opened tasks, as they are "open" (and not "resolved") for a reason: They are not resolved so you cannot already integrate the 3D visualization of jmol in Wikipedia pages. :)

I was not aware of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Jmol , thanks for sharing that! See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue for the steps required if you would like to see that Jmol extension available on Wikimedia websites such as Wikipedia.

Griot Matteo (talkcontribs)

I readen the page Review queue but I didn't found in any part of this how I can ask for see that Jmol extension avaiable on Wikipedia.

If I'm not mistaken, only the creator has the right to make those steps for the request.

what should I do then?

Thanks in advance

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

You could contacts the authors / maintainers of that extension.

Griot Matteo (talkcontribs)

Thank you so much!

PhotographerTom (talkcontribs)

@Shirayuki - Thank you for all your work on this page. Could a link to the current stable version of the software, currently MediaWiki 1.33, be re-added to the page? Thank you!

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi, you can click on the first link in the first box ("Download"). I think the current situation makes sense.

PhotographerTom (talkcontribs)

What about adding a link to Release notes, either on the Main page or on the Download page?

AKlapper (WMF) (talkcontribs)

There already is a link to Release notes, on the Download page.