Talk:Talk pages project/Replying/2020/05

The team would value any thoughts and/or questions you have about this new tool for Replying to specific comments on talk pages.

V2 Feedback: AronMan

*phab:T252084: Consider adding header to username suggestion list

• phab:T252445: Consider changing the presentation of the visual mode's editing toolbar
• phab:T252083: Treat links to user pages differently than normal wikilinks

Version 2.0 testing feedback

TASK #4: What are your initial impressions of the tool? What stands out to you? Do you find something particularly eye-catching? Confusing?

Clean, pleasant design.

TASK #5: Could you figure out how to write and style a comment in the tool's visual mode do so? What did you think of this experience?

Easily, using the icons on the right. On a wide screen the styling buttons are quite far on the right edge from the area where my mouse is typically (above the text). What comes to my mind is that these are on the left in reddit and gmail.

TASK #6: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

Easily, using @ key. On second thought Flow has a specific button for it which I miss.

TASK #7: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has not commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

I had to guess typing more of the intended name will eventually offer that name. This is the best functionality imo, but some hint that this functionality exists might be helpful.

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to edit a ping so someone different is notified? What did you think of this experience?

I've clicked on the name and used the visual link editor. Things got difficult from there.

• Having "User:" in the link was surprising and I might have edited that part by mistake.
• Users without userpage are not offered by the look-ahead search.
• I've chosen a userpage, but the link text did not update, I had to find out how to do that too.

Tl;dr: the visual link editor is not suitable for this, however, such editor might not be necessary. The ping can be simply deleted and redone. Might be safer to disable the link editor for pings.

TASK #9: Could you figure out how to see the comment you were writing in the visual mode, in the source mode before posting the comment to the talk page? What – if any – part the wikitext looked different from how you expected?

Yes. The interface is familiar from GitHub. The wikitext looked as I expected.

TASK #10: Could you figure out how to post the comment you had written in Tasks #1 - #9 to the talk page?

Easily. The terms message and the watch page checkbox is thoughtfully positioned.

TASK #11: Does the diff you created by posting a comment look as you expected? What – if anything – were you surprised to see?

Yes.

OVERALL: If there are other comments or questions you would like to make the team aware of, please write them here.

Generally, this tool is awesome. A "major leap". —Aron Man.🍂 edits🌾 02:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for giving the tool a try and sharing this feedback, @Aron Manning.

Two things for you:

1. Some follow up "Questions"
2. "Tickets" for the issues you raised that are immediately clear to me

Questions

On second thought Flow has a specific button for it which I miss.

Can you say a bit more here? Are you able to pinpoint what about Flow's "👤" icon you miss? How it serves as a reminder the @ functionality exists? Clicking "👤" is easier than typing @? Other things entirely?

I had to guess typing more of the intended name will eventually offer that name. This is the best functionality imo, but some hint that this functionality exists might be helpful.

Good spot. To what extent do you think what phab:T252084 is describing is the hint you had in mind?

Tickets

Please comment on these tasks if they do not accurately and exhaustively describe the issue(s) you experienced.

On a wide screen the styling buttons are quite far on the right edge from the area where my mouse is typically (above the text).

phab: T252445

Things got difficult from there. Having "User:" in the link was surprising and I might have edited that part by mistake. Users without userpage are not offered by the look-ahead search.I've chosen a userpage, but the link text did not update, I had to find out how to do that too.

You've made these issues wonderfully clear. I've represented them in the ticket where we are discussing different approaches to the username link inspector behavior: phab:T252083.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 01:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Clicking "👤" is easier than typing @?

Exactly this and if there was a button for it, that would be a hint this feature exists. Whether the user icon "👤" or a snail "@" icon would be better, I can't tell. For me both would do.

To what extent do you think what phab:T252084 is describing is the hint you had in mind?

Very well. I've added more details in a comment.

You've made these issues wonderfully clear. I've represented them in the ticket...

Thank you for your continued work and communication with the community! —Aron Man.🍂 edits🌾 04:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

V2 Feedback: Dvorapa

T254208: Revise position and behavior of Reply tool's text input

T253402: Blank lines in visual mode not stripped

T253584: Strikethrough in Reply tool adds <s> tags with href attribute

T254420: Make visual mode's "Remove" text formatting function more clear

T254366: Add @ mention affordance to visual mode's toolbar

T252083: Treat links to user pages differently than normal wikilinks.

===Version 2.0 testing feedback===

TASK #4: What are your initial impressions of the tool? What stands out to you? Do you find something particularly eye-catching? Confusing?

Visual mode should be default. At least for IPs, new accounts and users used to VisualEditor (i.e. for the most of all users).

TASK #5: Could you figure out how to write and style a comment in the tool's visual mode do so? What did you think of this experience?

"..." button in "language" menu is quite disambiguous. I wasn't sure what it does until I clicked it. Direction should be less prominent, users should not have feeling that they must change this setting too. "Remove" button in format menu seems also quite disambiguous, one might think this removes the text.

TASK #6: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

It is not prominent at all, I had to play a minute with the UI only to find out there is no UI feature at all. To novices this might be extremely hidden, I would bet my shoe many of novices never figure it out. I recall my struggles with the same issue in StackOverflow. I would add a ping button, which just adds @ and opens the menu. I also can not ping an IP. I know IPs can't get ping notification, but they can be just mentioned when I want specifically to address some portion of text to them.

TASK #7: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has not commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

Once I found out thanks to my experience with StackOverflow, how to ping someone, it was quite easy to play with it. It seems to me as a matter of getting into the habit.

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to edit a ping so someone different is notified? What did you think of this experience?

It was a bit confusing. I tried to rewrite the text as I would do on StackOverflow, but it rewritten just the text, not the user to be pinged. I know this is wiki code limited, but I would expect the popup to help me figure out, how to change user and edit text. The popup is completely confusing, the worst experience of the 2.0 version. First there is a link header that does nothing. I don't know, why is it there. Then there is a unlink button, which to me is unnecessary. Then there is an edit button. What exactly this edit button edits? After clicking it opens edit link menu. What? Why? Follows red link and question mark image. While this might make sense in terms of Wikipedia, for people with less experience this is completely confusing. Do I have a typo in the name? Does that mean the user does no exist? Don't get me wrong, the text in Visual mode should have red link, but this menu? Again, why? Finally there is this "Text" header, again not editable. I have to click the "change text" button. Which confusingly does nothing noticeable?

My idea of this popup would be much simpler and more clear, just two input elements and a close button:

<figure-inline class="mw-default-size"></figure-inline>

It also should be obvious if the user does exist or does not to avoid typos. The current design does not reflect this at all.

Similar issue is with the internal links. The same confusing popup sequence with so much superfluous and confusing content, instead of just simple input elements, simple link preview and a close button.

TASK #9: Could you figure out how to see the comment you were writing in the visual mode, in the source mode before posting the comment to the talk page? What – if any – part the wikitext looked different from how you expected?

Yes, everything's clear.

TASK #10: Could you figure out how to post the comment you had written in Tasks #1 - #9 to the talk page?

Yes, everything's fine.

TASK #11: Does the diff you created by posting a comment look as you expected? What – if anything – were you surprised to see?

Empty lines like:

::::

surprised me the most, see [1]. They should be unnecessary at all. Also it added some weird href attribute to the <s> tag, which is super-suspicious. It was not present in the Source mode.

OVERALL: If there are other comments or questions you would like to make the team aware of, please write them here.

I miss the same formatting buttons and functions in the Source mode. I would expect them to be there too. Dvorapa (talk) 11:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Task #11 issue filed as T253402 ESanders (WMF) (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: T253402 covers the first issue from task #11 feedback. Should I create a task for the second issue? Dvorapa (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes please. I've seen those attributes appearing elsewhere. ESanders (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Done (T253584) Dvorapa (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Also I find confusing "Reply" links are disabled if I have Reply window openned in the page. If the page is long enough (Village pump):

1. I hit "Reply" button.
2. I change my mind and scroll the page. I leave the edit window open.
3. I want to reply to some other post.
4. I can't, I have to scroll the whole page back to cancel the first one and scroll the whole page forth again to be able to reply somewhere else. Dvorapa (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this and describing the steps as you did, @Dvorapa – what you are describing is clear.

A question: are you able to repeat the scenario you described above, but instead of scrolling the, ...whole page back to cancel the first one and scroll the whole page forth again to be able to reply somewhere else.can you try pressing the Escape key to close the "original" edit window and comment here what you thought of that experience? PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 01:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The issue comes much sooner. Once you leave the edit window and scroll away from it, you don't expect it to block you from other work/talk/discussion. So you might never figure out, what's going on and why you can't hit Reply, there is no indication. If you figure out, you left the edit window openned, your instinct is not to hit Escape as you don't see the edit window in your current view. Instead you usually scroll to it to see if your speculation (that you left the edit window openned) is correct. And then with the edit window in the current view, you just either hit Escape or click Cancel, it doesn't matter. But you do not avoid the scrolling part. Dvorapa (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

One of the suggestions to avoid losing context when there is a large gap between the reply placement and the comment you are replying to, was to always keep an open reply widget visible by floating it. In that situation this issue would also go away. ESanders (WMF) (talk) 12:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

That's a good idea! (I wrote it ;-) —Aron Man.🍂 edits🌾 18:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Aron Manning, good memory. You represented these issues well here: https://w.wiki/SYx.

If you think the way I've represented these issues in the description of phab: T254208 could be made more clear and/or exhaustive, please comment as much on the ticket.

As you alluded to in the original comment you posted about this, we are going to consider these issues holistically. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The issue comes much sooner. Once you leave the edit window and scroll away from it, you don't expect it to block you from other work/talk/discussion...

Ah, I see. Thank you for helping me to see what you are describing more clearly, @Dvorapa. Here is the task where we will address the issues you raised: phab:T254208.

...if you think changes should be made to the task description to more accurately and exhaustively describe what you experienced, please comment as much on the ticket.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I reported this same confusion in the feedback of version 1. This is also why Enterprisey's reply tool turns all 'reply' buttons into 'cancel' buttons once you have a reply editor open, so that you at least know why your reply button isn't available. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talk • contribs) 12:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheDJ you did.[1]

As I mentioned to Aron Manning and Dvorapa above, we are going to think about this collection of issues together in phab:T254208.

From there, we'll decide on an initial approach for addressing those issues. Please comment there if you think anything could be made more clear or exhaustive.

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1. For reference, we initially tracked this issue in phab:T235923 PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

We have tried to avoid changing the width on the reply button after the initial load as that can lead to the text wrapping changing and therefore things jumping vertically. ESanders (WMF) (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Dvorapa there were a few other issues you raised that I want to make sure we have documented. I also had a few follow up questions. Both of these are below.

Before that: thank you for all of the effort you've put into trying the feature, sharing the feedback you have and filing tickets...we appreciate it :)

Documenting issues raised

"Remove" button in format menu seems also quite disambiguous, one might think this removes the text.

Task filed: phab: T254420

It [the @ mention feature] is not prominent at all, I had to play a minute with the UI only to find out there is no UI feature at all. To novices this might be extremely hidden, I would bet my shoe many of novices never figure it out.

Task filed: T254366

The popup is completely confusing, the worst experience of the 2.0 version. First there is a link header that does nothing. I don't know, why is it there. Then there is a unlink button, which to me is unnecessary. Then there is an edit button. What exactly this edit button edits? After clicking it opens edit link menu. What? Why? Follows red link and question mark image. While this might make sense in terms of Wikipedia, for people with less experience this is completely confusing. Do I have a typo in the name? Does that mean the user does no exist? Don't get me wrong, the text in Visual mode should have red link, but this menu? Again, why? Finally there is this "Text" header, again not editable. I have to click the "change text" button. Which confusingly does nothing noticeable?

The way you've described this particular part of the tool wonderfully captures the confusion it can cause. In response to what you, and others like @Aron Manning have shared, we will be revising this behavior in the next couple of weeks.

You can track this work here: phab:T252083.

Follow up questions

Visual mode should be default. At least for IPs, new accounts and users used to VisualEditor (i.e. for the most of all users).

Can you share what leads you to say this?

"..." button in "language" menu is quite disambiguous. I wasn't sure what it does until I clicked it. Direction should be less prominent, users should not have feeling that they must change this setting too.

Before getting into the entirety of the feedback you shared here, two questions:

1. Is the "..." button you are referring to the one pictured below?
2. What led you to try the "Language" function? Is it a feature you use regularly and you were wanting to see how it would behave in this tool? Something else?

What do you think others at cs.wiki would understand the @ sign to mean if it were used as the icon for the mentioning/pinging feature within the visual mode's editing toolbar?

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 01:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you share what leads you to say this?

If I remember this correctly, after hitting "Reply" Source mode opens. Source mode currently does not provide formatting buttons (as I also mentioned in my feedback). Also novices and IPs might be used to use VisualEditor for articles. These two arguments makes me feel Visual mode should be the one that opens after hitting "Reply".

Is the "..." button you are referring to the one pictured below?

Yes.

What led you to try the "Language" function? Is it a feature you use regularly and you were wanting to see how it would behave in this tool? Something else?

No, I just tested everything that the tool offers :) On cswiki we have/use templates for marking text as different-language. I don't know if this feature is needed on cswiki as we don't much switch between ltr and rtl in talk pages.

What do you think others at cs.wiki would understand the @ sign to mean if it were used as the icon for the mentioning/pinging feature within the visual mode's editing toolbar?

As our ping template uses @ (Czech dictionary defines @ as a person prefix/suffix), experienced users on cswiki should be pretty used to it. From their point of view it would definitely be better than Flow's "+person" icon. But I'm not sure about novices. @ is quite disambiguous, can also make people think it means "send this reply as an e-mail instead of publishing here" (which could be a wonderful feature for cswiki's arguing community). Anyway if I search google for "mention user icon" it is @ most of the time so @ might be ok. One another option would be to combine Flow's "+person" icon and @ icon into one: "@person" Dvorapa (talk) 08:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

V2 Feedback: Habib

T254050: Username suggestion list not populating when Arabic script is typed.

Version 2.0 testing feedback

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to edit a ping so someone different is notified? What did you think of this experience?

Finding Latin usernames was fine and easy. But I had a problem to look for Arabic usernames: I already created two accounts: ساسوكي and ساسو and when I typed the first letter س the tool didn't suggest any of these two usernames even they existed in the wiki. Dyolf77 (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for giving the tool a try and reporting this issue, @Dyolf77 (WMF).

Can you please review this task – T254050 – and make sure it accurately and exhaustively describes what you experienced? PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Dyolf77 (WMF) (talk) 00:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

See my reply on the task: T254050#6181546

ESanders (WMF) (talk) 12:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

V2 Feedback: Ad Huikeshoven

T254411: UI language and visual mode's keyboard shortcut hints are not the same

T249074: Define approach for expanding the Replying tool's `visual` mode toolbar

T254415: Make it possible to use <TAB> to select a user from the username suggestion list

Version 2.0 testing feedback

TASK #4: What are your initial impressions of the tool? What stands out to you? Do you find something particularly eye-catching? Confusing?

I land in visual mode (everything below is about my experience in visual mode)

• With my UI language set to nl (Dutch), the menu items for Bold and Italic are displayed with V (for Vet) and C (for Cursief) while the keyboard shortcuts remain Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. Microsoft Office display B and I even thought my UI language is Dutch. I belief V and C are rather odd, and it is more customary to have B and I. With mouse over these menu items show what they are for, including a keyboard shortcut. Cool!
• To reduce clutter you can remove them, and replace them for something more useful for which there isn't a keyboard shortcut. A menu option to insert a picture for example.
• When typing '{{' a dialog pops up to insert a template. Cool!
• When typing '[[' a dialog pops up to insert a link. Cool!
• The menu item 'A' (that is with nl Dutch as UI language) shows more formatting options, and the menu shows the keyboard shortcuts.
• Typing an asterisk '*' and a space starts a new bullet pointed list. Cool!
• Typing a pound '#' and a space starts a numbered list. Cool!

TASK #5: Could you figure out how to write and style a comment in the tool's visual mode do so? What did you think of this experience?

Yes

TASK #6: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

• I can insert a link to an user page inserting an @, after which a list of usernames pops up. That is nice. (Which works nices than the 'Mention a user' menu option in Flow, which does not suggest usernames.

• I can insert a template 'ping' open the '1' field by typing '1' in the textfield which mentions enter a fieldname, and then typing a username in the empty textfield thats pops up below '1'. To be fair: that is harder than using the 'Mention a user' menu option in Flow.

• Reply tool: douze points

TASK #7: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has not commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

1. I copied an username from recent changes (the left column was hidden, and I found the hamburger menu to the left of the logo), I typed an @ and pasted the username. A space ' ' appears between the @ and the username. I didn't expect that.
2. I type an @ and continued typing. After some characters some usernames appear in a list, on which I can click to insert them (though hitting tab doesn't work to trigger autocomplete)

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to delete the ping you created in Task #7? What did you think of this experience?

• Hitting backspace a number of times
• Mouse selecting and hitting Delete on the keyboard

TASK #9: Could you figure out how to see the comment you were writing in the visual mode, in the source mode before posting the comment to the talk page? What – if any – part the wikitext looked different from how you expected?

• <bdi> tag appeared around an username. I hadn't seen this tag before, and I was typing just latin characters, and not a Hebrew name! see https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADogs&type=revision&diff=425433&oldid=425397

TASK #10: Could you figure out how to post the comment you had written in Tasks #1 - #9 to the talk page?

• See task 9.

TASK #11: Does the diff you created by posting a comment look as you expected? What – if anything – were you surprised to see?

• Now you are asking. I do see each line starts with two colons (https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADogs&type=revision&diff=425433&oldid=425397), which I didn't type.
• Moreover, the comment above in the diff shows many more colons at the start of the line. Shouldn't my comment have one more colon than the comment just above?
• So I turned all beta features on in preferences and looked at the visual diffs in stead of the wikitext diff. Now I see my comment highlighted in green, it is indented, and I don't see any colons.

OVERALL: If there are other comments or questions you would like to make the team aware of, please write them here.

• The other day I had the following experience. In visual mode I wanted to select text with my keyboard using Shift and arrow keys. I expect to move a single character left or right when hittting the left or right key while holding the shift key. I had a mix of several formats in the text. At some point the cursor jumped a couple of words to the left when hitting the left key, ending the previous selection and starting a new selection. I haven't saved that one. It was weird.
• In general I love discussion tools / reply-tool. It is really useful. Be bold and set a standard indentation order, for where the comment should appear, and when indentation marks are mixed, if you can't find guidelines per wiki.
• One barnstar for Peter: https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dogs&type=revision&diff=425435&oldid=425433&diffmode=visual Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 07:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice points Ad. Regarding "<bdi> tag appeared around an username". This is probably because you copy pasted the username. Lots of places in the interface use this html tag to isolate username directionality from the page directionality, esp in places where punctuation is used, like in automatic edit summaries, history, diff and log views. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talk • contribs) 11:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheDJ, yes, I did copy an username I found on recent changes. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

This feedback is great – thank you for taking the time to share it with us, @Ad Huikeshoven.

Some responses and follow up questions to the things you shared below.

Note: if you think any of the tickets I've filed in response to the issues you've raised could be made more clear and/or accurate, please comment on them. It's important we have a shared understanding of what the issue is.

Responses

With my UI language set to nl (Dutch), the menu items for Bold and Italic are displayed with V (for Vet) and C (for Cursief) while the keyboard shortcuts remain Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. Microsoft Office display B and I even thought my UI language is Dutch. I belief V and C are rather odd, and it is more customary to have B and I. With mouse over these menu items show what they are for, including a keyboard shortcut.

Great spot. I've filed a ticket for this issue, which you can see here: phab:T254411.

This will be great to talk about with @JKlein (WMF).

To reduce clutter you can remove them, and replace them for something more useful for which there isn't a keyboard shortcut. A menu option to insert a picture for example.

A couple thoughts:

1. I agree with – what I understand to be – the underlying point here that there may be other tools worth [i] exposing in the visual mode's editing toolbar.
2. With the above said, we think first and foremost it's important that people recognize the visual mode's toolbar as containing a set of tools to help people better represent the thoughts they have in their minds in a way others can see and understand. As such, we've been assuming that, for many people, "Bold" and "Italic" serve as effective signs for communicating to people something like, "Hey, this is where you can go to format the comment you are writing and add other things to it."

This is not to say we are not considering adding other tools to it, as I see you discovered: T249074#6163732.

When typing {{ a dialog pops up to insert a template. Cool!

I should note we disabled this this afternoon (as you've seen) so as not to contribute to people expecting the tool to support multi-line templates.

More context can be found in this task: phab:T253667 (I'm mostly sharing for people not already familiar with this task).

Reply tool: douze points...In general I love discussion tools / reply-tool. It is really useful...

While, in this moment, we are keen to hear what about the tool could be improved, it's nice to hear when it works well :)

I type an @ and continued typing. After some characters some usernames appear in a list, on which I can click to insert them (though hitting tab doesn't work to trigger autocomplete)

Not being able to use the tab key to select a username from the username suggestion list seems like a bug; I've filed that here: phab: T254415

<bdi> tag appeared around an username. I hadn't seen this tag before, and I was typing just latin characters, and not a Hebrew name! see https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADogs&type=revision&diff=425433&oldid=425397

I suspect what @TheDJ shared here explains this, but I will double check to confirm.

Follow up questions for you

A menu option to insert a picture for example.

Interesting, are there particular use cases for adding pictures to replies that prompted this thought? The one example that comes to mind which is similar is this discussion on de.wiki where people are trying to identify different "coats of arms": https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Kersten-Miles-Br%C3%BCcke&oldid=179976395.

I typed an @ and pasted the username. A space ' ' appears between the @ and the username. I didn't expect that.

Are you able to try this once more? I have not been able to reproduce this and wonder whether a leading blank space might've been unintentionally copied and subsequently pasted.

Now you are asking. I do see each line starts with two colons (https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADogs&type=revision&diff=425433&oldid=425397), which I didn't type.

On first glance those colons look, to me, like the normal indentation the tool automatically adds to comments posted with it. However, knowing you've tried the tool many times, I wonder: is there something particular that's leading you to see these as being unexpected? Might that stem from the subsequent point you raised (see next below).

...the comment above in the diff shows many more colons at the start of the line. Shouldn't my comment have one more colon than the comment just above?

Do you recall which comment you "replied" to? I wonder whether the "Reply" link you clicked was one attached to a comment indented with one set of colons (e.g. :) and as such, the comment you posted in responses was indented with two: ::. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you recall which comment you "replied" to? I wonder whether the "Reply" link you clicked was one attached to a comment indented with one set of colons (e.g. :) and as such, the comment you posted in responses was indented with two: ::.

No not specifically. But probably I answered to a single indented comment. However, that comment did not appear in the diff, because there where many comments.

Regarding space appearing. I can't reproduce now. What happens now in visual mode that my cursor hops to the left when I hit the shift button after a mentions. I filed a bug report on that one. And I noticed a couple of times that when I enter an at sign '@' a space before that sign disappears. These are dynamic events. Sharing my screen in a Zoom call or something would allow you to see it. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 06:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)