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Blanking/vandalism archive notifications

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I've been continuing to receive the "topic X was archived or removed" notification for edits like this page blanking. These edits happen all the time, and they're generally quickly reverted, but they're a lot more annoying when they now generate notifications. Notifications from them are nearly as frequent as notifications from actual archiving, so this is a significant issue that I really hope you all prioritize resolving before DiscussionTools leaves beta, @ESanders (WMF)/@PPelberg (WMF).

My suggested approach would be that, for any edit that has the "Possible Vandalism" tag (like in the example) — or perhaps any removal at all that's a blanking, or that's made by a human editor rather than a bot — you build in a delay (say, 24hr), and only send the notification if the edit is not reverted after that period. This would substantially reduce the number of spam notifications. I also see little downside risk for legitimate removals — by definition, a topic being archived has become stale, so a slight delay in the notification is unlikely to be an issue. Sdkb ^talk 07:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Upvote, leaving the beta without addressing this problem of Wikipedians usages could nip the tool in the bud. And I don't really want to try to convince people to use DiscussionTools like I tried with Flow after a failed start!

Do we even need to notify users if a bot is removing a section? The role is usually given by community consensus, so abuse (hiding a discussion, for example, out of specific malice) should be virtually impossible or negligible.

The delay of 24 hours is not a suitable solution, I think. Lofhi (talk) 08:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess these reviews could count for T316163. Lofhi (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I have actually grown to like the notifications for bot archivals of topics, since it's a way for me to catch unresolved things. E.g. I'll start a thread asking a question, no one will reply, and when I get notified that a bot has archived it I'll realize I need to follow up elsewhere. Sdkb ^talk 08:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Funny, cause I am here wanting to disable this subfeature because archiving bots are spamming me! Imagine being the staff team trying to answer both of our needs. 😝 Lofhi (talk) 08:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Lofhi the fetaure can be disabled in your notifications preferences under "Talk page archiving".

@Sdkb these seem like sensible suggestions for a phabricator task. At the moment the notifications are triggered by the blanking edit, so building in a delay would not be a trivial fix. Filtering out blanking edits would be simpler, but we'd need to check that this convention applies to all wikis and situations. ESanders (WMF) (talk) 14:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

For my case, I don't want to turn it off, but it would be could to turn off notifications caused by bots! Lofhi (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@ESanders (WMF), feel free to add me as a subscriber on a Phab task, or let me know if I should create it myself.

@Lofhi, could you clarify what sorts of removals you would want to be notified about? Automated bot archiving and (generally spammy) manual removals are the only two types of archive notifications, at least that I've encountered. Sdkb ^talk 17:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sdkb yes, please create a new task. ESanders (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Statistics

Are there any statistics on how much the number of comments on any wiki increased or decreased after enabling DT? I know that this can be difficult, but it is very interesting :) Maybe you have already collected these data. Iniquity (talk) 22:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

CD is better Infovarius (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Automatic signature addition for moved comments (and other niche applications)

When I move a comment someone else made, e.g. here, Discussion Tools automatically adds a signature, which is not what I want, and I have to either use the source editor to make the post or make another edit to remove it. It'd be a lot easier if there was a box to check under the advanced options to not use a signature. Was that ever considered, @PPelberg (WMF)? Sdkb ^talk 15:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

This is why I use the reply tool but not "new topic"... There should be way to temporarily disable it rather than the all-or-nothing preference. Nardog (talk) 07:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

This should be done with future "move" feature if it is planned. wargo (talk) 20:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Wiki markup for Replying and New Topic

The Replying and New Topic tools both currently do not not readily provide Wiki markup and requires copy and pasting from the standard source editing page. Could we implement this especially "|" required for templates such as Talk quote inline? StellarHalo (talk) 23:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide step-by-step to reproduce this issue? What do you want to insert and what you want to achieve instead? wargo (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

When I reply to someone on Wikipedia, I want to use the Template:Talk quote inline (Template:Talk quotation) to quote someone else or policies and guidelines. For that I need to type in {{tq|text I want to quote}} to generate text I want to quote. However, Replying and New Topic currently do not permit me to insert the special character "|" that comes between "{{tq" and the quote. StellarHalo (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Make sure you use sourcecode editor. The switch is on the bottom-right corner of reply editor. wargo (talk) 08:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I am always using the source editor but like I said, I could not find the button for the special character "|" and I always have to open another editing page to copy and paste it to use the Talk quote template. StellarHalo (talk) 12:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

What exactly happens when you type it from keyboard? You are using other input methods? wargo (talk) 21:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)